[9fans] Re: [hangar18-general] Re: Questions about translating Plan 9 license

[9fans] Re: [hangar18-general] Re: Questions about translating Plan 9 license

[Pavel Mihaylov]

>> I could/would certainly be interested in starting a mailing list to
>> handle translations of Open Source material (not just Plan 9). This
>> sounds like a good way to prime the pump to me.
>
> Why not use babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com/) to do a sort
> of alpha version of a translation to get started, and you could post
> it, and people could be amused and then submit corrections and the
> document could

Good idea. Much better results will be achieved with
http://translation2.paralink.com as babelfish's idea of Russian is very
poor.

Regards,
Pavel

Re: [9fans] Re: Questions about translating Plan 9 license

[Dan Cross]

> Good idea. Much better results will be achieved with
> http://translation2.paralink.com as babelfish's idea of Russian is very
> poor.

Why not even put the translated version on the Wiki, as well?

	- Dan C.

[9fans] Re: Questions about translating Plan 9 license

[Jim Choate]

On Sat, 11 May 2002, Andrey S. Kukhar wrote:

> Saturday, May 11, 2002, 5:07:29 PM, Jim Choate wrote:
> > If you need some proofing I can probably help if the documents are short.
> > I'd definitely like to get a copy of the resultant when completed.
>
> > Spaciba moi drug.
>
> Do you really want help me with translating documents?

Da, ya doljoi intristyil (I think I got that transliteration close to
right ;)

I am certainly interested in other languages. I took a Russian translation
course about 20 years ago and still dabble in reading it (with the help of
a dictionary). My verbal and written skills are very poor however, lack of
practice. Russian, Spanish, German, & French I have some small(!)
experience with. One of the attractions of Plan 9 for me was the ability
to have Angliski and Russki at the same time. I do this in Windows  using
a 3rd party utility. Can't get Linux to really do it right (at least from
my view).

I have a friend who is a professional translater so I do have somebody to
go to local for some problems and such.

> What documents named ``short''?

A license agreement or something similar. A couple/few of pages. I could
proof something like that in a week or two. At my skill level and time
constraints I wouldn't be able to do anything more than a couple of pages
a week, max.

Are you familiar with Open Forge and Hangar 18?

http://open-forge.org

I could/would certainly be interested in starting a mailing list to handle
translations of Open Source material (not just Plan 9). This sounds like a
good way to prime the pump to me.

> Pozaluysta friend

Da Svidanya.


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[9fans] Re: [hangar18-general] Re: Questions about translating Plan 9 license

[Chris Nystrom]

On Sat, 11 May 2002, Jim Choate wrote:

> I could/would certainly be interested in starting a mailing list to handle
> translations of Open Source material (not just Plan 9). This sounds like a
> good way to prime the pump to me.

Why not use babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com/) to do a sort of
alpha version of a translation to get started, and you could post it, and
people could be amused and then submit corrections and the document could
be improved from there on an evolutionary basis?

Chris
ccn@olenska.hn.org

Re: [9fans] Re: [hangar18-general] Re: Questions about translating Plan 9 license

[Boyd Roberts]

Chris Nystrom wrote:
> Why not use babelfish (http://babelfish.altavista.com/) to do a sort of
> alpha version of a translation to get started, and you could post it, and
> people could be amused and then submit corrections and the document could
> be improved from there on an evolutionary basis?

The trouble would be that machine translation would obliterate the original
meaning, rendering such stepwise refinement useless.  Machine translation is
difficult enough for fairly ordinary constructs and translation of technical
documents is considerably harder.

If we take the above paragraph and transmogrify it into French (with babelfish):

    Pourquoi est-ce que pas le babelfish d'utilisation

Word for word dictionary translation, where 'pourquoi pas utiliser le
babelfish ...' would be better.

    (http://babelfish.altavista.com/) une sorte de
    version d'alpha d'une traduction obtiennent
    commencée,

More dictionary stuff with d[e]'... constructs and weird use of the 3rd person
plural [obtiennent] in some attempt at the passive?

    et vous pourrait la signaler,

Is this strange use of the conditional 'qqn vous pourrait' or 'vous pourriez'?
It's probably the latter, because of 'pourrait la signaler'.

    et les gens pourraient-ils s'amuser et soumettre alors les
    corrections et le document pourrait-elle être
    améliorée de là sur une base évolutionnaire?

Total gender confusion with 'le document' suddenly being smashed into
use as a feminine noun by 'pourrait-elle être améliorée', complete with
gratuitous verbosity.

The whole thing is just unreadable.

Mark V Shaney could probably do a better job.