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charset=UTF-8 Oh no. Someone doesn=E2=80=99t like Intro to OS abstractions! Someone on th= e internet has an opinion about someone that you may not agree with! *clutches pearls* *swoons* You are an adult, right? You can understand people have different opinions = and motivations. He and others don=E2=80=99t like Mr. Ballesteros=E2=80=99 = position. Others happy to =E2=80=9Cdeath of the author=E2=80=9D 9intro and = appreciate the work as a text. Others don=E2=80=99t care. Even if you don=E2=80=99t agree with his motivations, I think we do need ef= forts for additional documentation, monograph-length books, and introductor= y material. We, as a point of fact, have a diverse community. Whether is it specifically about ANTS [which is a very cool project, but pe= rhaps a more limited circle than necessary], documentation and enabling new= people to discover and graduate CS students to continue working on project= s exploring the Plan 9 system is kind of a good thing. We don=E2=80=99t jus= t need one book. We can have lots of books. -pixelheresy > On 24. Jan 2022, at 20.33, Alexandr Babic wrote: >=20 > keith, nice analysis, but what would you think about original post: >=20 > >>Apparently the author of the well-known 'intro to OS abstractions' book= has political views that are not cool and support oppression maybe I have = heard secondhand. >=20 > this insult to author of 'intro to OS abstractions' is worse than all vul= garities in this thread :-( >=20 > this link is the 'intro to os abstractions' book https://www.google.com/u= rl?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc=3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D&ved=3D2ahUKEwjyxsD-gcv1A= hWDsKQKHYgFBloQFnoECAUQAQ&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fdoc.cat-v.org%2Fplan_9%2F9.int= ro.pdf&usg=3DAOvVaw3V31IcFr5AdwkH5d_JXrVu >=20 > a.b. >=20 > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery=C2=A0options Permalink ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T627a29a7babaf29e-M23fcb= 304d6752ca98a70a9f8 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --Apple-Mail=_EC1A28FA-BDC1-4801-943F-D17AD76F1FA0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Oh no. Someo= ne doesn’t like Intro to OS abstractions! Someone on the internet has= an opinion about someone that you may not agree with!

*clutches pearls* *swoons*

You are an adult, right? You = can understand people have different opinions and motivations. He and other= s don’t like Mr. Ballesteros’ position. Others happy to &l= dquo;death of the author” 9intro and appreciate the work as a text. O= thers don’t care.

Even if you don’t agree with his motivations, I think we do = need efforts for additional documentation, monograph-length books, and intr= oductory material. We, as a point of fact, have a diverse community.
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Whether is it specifi= cally about ANTS [which is a very cool project, but perhaps a more limited = circle than necessary], documentation and enabling new people to discover a= nd graduate CS students to continue working on projects exploring the Plan = 9 system is kind of a good thing. We don’t just need one book. We can= have lots of books.

-pixelheresy

On 24. Jan 2022, at 20.33, Alexandr= Babic <alexandr@babi= covi.cz> wrote:

keith, nice analysis, but what would you think= about original post:

>>Apparently the author of the well-known 'intro to OS abstract= ions' book has political views that are not cool and support oppression= maybe I have heard secondhand.

this insul= t to author of 'intro to OS abstractions' is worse than all vulgari= ties in this thread :-(

this link is the &= #39;intro to os abstractions' book https://www.google.com/url?sa=3Dt&rct=3Dj&q=3D&esrc= =3Ds&source=3Dweb&cd=3D&ved=3D2ahUKEwjyxsD-gcv1AhWDsKQKHYgFBloQ= FnoECAUQAQ&url=3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fdoc.cat-v.org%2Fplan_9%2F9.intro.pdf&= usg=3DAOvVaw3V31IcFr5AdwkH5d_JXrVu

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