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From: Dave Lukes <davel@anvil.com>
To: 9fans <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Interesting in trying out Plan 9
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:50:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1077101443.7471.40.camel@zevon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <716fa16ad5690d5afe47d5ae26b431ec@collyer.net>

On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 04:06, Geoff Collyer wrote:
> Right, at least in Unix processes operated on themselves, sometimes
> upon request of other processes.  If Linux isn't doing that, they're
> in for a world of pain (or locking, at the very least).

Tell me about it.

We have a bunch of Linux servers here,
and every few weeks, some script pukes an irreproducible but
subtle error (e.g. bizarre number from some stats analysis).

I tear my hair out for hours wondering what's wrong,
never find out, chalk it up to gremlins and move on.

Now, maybe I've got serious brain damage,
maybe it's clever hackers (the confuseSA virus:-),
maybe it's cosmic rays,
maybe it's an incredibly obscure bug in bash/awk/...,
or maybe it's an obscure kernel bug,
but the fact is that the whole infrastructure
(hideously complicated tools bolted onto an obscenely complex OS) makes
any informal (let alone formal) verification impossible.

If I could just convince myself that _some_ part of this
mountain of manure was _not_ to blame,
then I'd be some way to tracking down the culprit,
but hacking through bash/perl/kernel is just a WOMBAT.

Cheers,
	Dave.



  reply	other threads:[~2004-02-18 10:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-02-17 20:06 dmr
2004-02-18  3:58 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-18  4:06   ` Geoff Collyer
2004-02-18 10:50     ` Dave Lukes [this message]
2004-02-18 14:12       ` ron minnich
2004-02-18 14:56         ` C H Forsyth
2004-02-18 15:03           ` Dave Lukes
2004-02-19  4:17             ` Martin C.Atkins
2004-02-18 15:08           ` ron minnich
2004-02-18 15:28             ` matt
2004-02-18 16:38               ` ron minnich
2004-02-18 17:06                 ` matt
2004-02-18 23:15               ` David Cantrell
2004-02-18 23:25                 ` matt
2004-02-18 23:42                   ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-19  3:43                     ` Micah Stetson
2004-02-19  4:29                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-02-19  5:43                         ` Micah Stetson
2004-02-19  5:06                           ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-02-18 20:15                             ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-19  9:03                           ` boyd, rounin
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402180755420.19583-100000@maxroach.lanl.gov >
2004-02-18 17:08               ` Wes Kussmaul
2004-02-18 23:27                 ` ron minnich
2004-02-19 10:26             ` vic zandy
2004-02-19 14:47               ` ron minnich
2004-02-20  2:26                 ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-20  3:18                   ` ron minnich
2004-02-18 15:14           ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-18 15:01         ` Dave Lukes
2004-02-18 15:17           ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-19  1:02         ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-02-19  2:18           ` ron minnich
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-02-16 10:35 Joel Konkle-Parker
2004-02-16 10:53 ` Geoff Collyer
2004-02-16 11:11   ` Fco.J.Ballesteros
2004-02-16 11:13     ` Geoff Collyer
2004-02-16 15:35   ` Dave Lukes
2004-02-16 15:44     ` C H Forsyth
2004-02-16 15:53       ` Dave Lukes
2004-02-16 16:36     ` ron minnich
2004-02-16 16:49       ` matt
2004-02-16 17:04         ` Dave Lukes
2004-02-16 17:03       ` Dave Lukes
2004-02-16 19:08       ` 9nut
2004-02-17  0:15     ` Geoff Collyer
2004-02-17  0:32       ` Scott Schwartz
2004-02-19 18:50         ` Wes Kussmaul
2004-02-17  1:35       ` 9nut
2004-02-16 15:58 ` Jim Choate
2004-02-16 16:31 ` ron minnich
2004-02-16 16:38   ` Dave Lukes
2004-02-17  4:38   ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-17 13:34     ` Brantley Coile
2004-02-17 14:26       ` matt
2004-02-17 14:33         ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-17 14:58           ` Dave Lukes
2004-02-17 15:03             ` boyd, rounin
2004-02-17 15:14               ` Brantley Coile
2004-02-17 15:29                 ` Dave Lukes
2004-02-17 22:17             ` Steve Kilbane
2004-02-18  6:39               ` dmr
2004-02-18  8:13                 ` 9nut
2004-02-18 10:02                   ` Richard Miller
2004-02-16 17:36 ` 9nut

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