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Subject: Re: [9fans] Novice question - run as other
From: Dave Lukes <davel@anvil.com>
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:01:26 +0000
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> > I had been reserving judgement on whether or not you (David Tolpin)
> > really are the ungrateful punk that you appeared to be in all your
> > other interactions on 9fans.  I have now concluded that you are.
> 
> made that choice about a week ago.  i'm with you, captain.

Metoo ... BUT ....

It ain't his fault: "I blame the system".

Now I don't want to get too mystical here but ...

I've been doing a lot of thinking recently, not just about plan9,
but also about life, the universe, me etc.,
and I realised the fundamental truth of the following:
        "We didn't want to lose the pleasant niche we occupied. What we
        wanted to preserve was just not a good environment in which to
        do programming, but a system around which a fellowship could
        form."
http://www.bell-labs.com/about/history/unix/somethingelse.html

To me, the last phrase is key: "fellowship".

People in general are far too used to paying software vendors to
spoonfeed them garbage.
To benefit from plan9 you have to understand and go with the flow
of its fundamental nature.

This is _not_ a product.

You are *not* entitled to
* pretty manuals,
* 0-800 support lines,
* annual upgrades
* virus scanners
* butt-kissing: if you're stupid, someone will tell you.

This is a community of people with a common interest.

You *are* entitled to:
* realise that you are part of something bigger than all of us
* work hard trying to understand it
* not piss the giants off by whining and shuffling from one foot
  to the other while you are standing on their shoulders
* sweat blood and carry boulders trying to make it better
* the wonderful feeling you get when something JUST WORKS.

If you can't get over this initial conceptual hump,
then fuck off back to CrapOS and leave us alone.

Dave out.