From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Subject: Re: [9fans] Van Jacobsen's network stack restructure From: ems To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <1dc491dac03e34c08e7fad7015587f29@cat-v.org> References: <1dc491dac03e34c08e7fad7015587f29@cat-v.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:38:48 +1100 Message-Id: <1138937928.24906.7.camel@heater.intranet.ebr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: f14b626e-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Log of a conversation in #GNU ---- * Now talking on #gnu * Topic for #gnu is: GNU's Not Unix | Help us finish GNU! See http://gnu.org/s/packaging | Pledge to never buy Digital Restriction Management encumbered media: http://www.pledgebank.com/boycottdrm/ | Ututo is a Free Software GNU/Linux distribution recommended, among others: http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions * Topic for #gnu set by Lord_Odd_Eye at Sun Jan 15 10:46:19 2006 -ChanServ- [#gnu] Welcome to #GNU (Free Software Foundation), for friendly discussion between GNU developers and queries regarding free software/licensing. oat Look at litch's whois oat mainly his ircname chillywilly that's pretty lame chillywilly GNU's Not Unix oat So that is why it sucks? chillywilly trollin are we? oat Why does bash and gawk have their own /dev/tcp ? ams Because they want to. * chillywilly makes use of /ignore chillywilly lalala oat ams: good reason :) oat ams: Wouldn't it be simpler to add it to the kernel, like Plan 9? ams To which kernel? oat instead of adding it to every application oat ams: GNU oat (Hurd) ams The Hurd isn't a `kernel'. ams GNU Mach is the kernel, and adding such functionality there would be silly. ams gawk/bash did it half right, right space, wrong program. ams Night! * holzplatten (n=user@85.137.123.143) has joined #gnu chillywilly what's happening on the L4 front? oat ams: didn't Unix prove that wrong, "do one thing, and do it well" ? oat Instead of, "do everything, everywhere, poorly" ams oat, If you ever knew UNIX, then you would know that this isn't the philosophy of unix. ams Night. chillywilly g'night ams chillywilly hmmm, l4 cvs repo looks stagnant oat ams: Okay, then it was the 'philosophy' of the Unix developers oat ams: Good night, then. ----- The format isn't that friendly to follow. The nickname is shown before what they said. P.S. 'hype' pointed out 'litch' ircname was 'Gay Niggerz United.' On Thu, 2006-02-02 at 09:24 +0100, uriel@cat-v.org wrote: > > David Leimbach wrote: > > > >> The bash shell supports /dev/tcp.... kind of evil but you can make > >> connections and send strings via file redirection with it. > > > > > > so, on the 'how broken is that' scale, where does this one go? > > > > the scale, btw, goes from 1 to 11 > Around 16. > > Gawk also has this "feature", wont be long before someone adds > it to cat(1)... > > "do one thing, and do it well" has become > "do everything, everywhere, poorly" > > I have been wondering lately why don't the FSF replace the whole Hurd > with bash, it even has emacs(nee libreadline) built in! > > All features built into a single program, and then use some sort of > virtualization to provide isolation... and the software industry has > gone full circle once more. > > Some times I wonder if any progress is possible, or for every step forward > we take, we will grow an extra leg that takes us back to square zero. > > uriel