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From: Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@sun.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] quantity vs. quality
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 18:03:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1150074200.11911.32.camel@linux.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <448B5229.8050008@lanl.gov>

On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 17:13 -0600, Ronald G Minnich wrote:
> A fork fails.
> 
> Which would you rather have the kernel do: panic? Lock up (as in the old 
> days)? Or handle it gracefully.

I think that the original point (which was to demonstrate that
error handling in libraries is not just a gross oversight that
obviously conflicts with a claim of Plan9 code being clean and
otherwise superior to the average source code out there) has
been clearly demonstrated by the sheer length of the discussion
that followed. That was my goal in this discussion.

Now, I think that personally I somewhat overstated my case. Clearly,
the real question is not to chose between the death and recovery,
but rather how to develop a comprehensive strategy based on these
two. 

Being a compiler guy the most common case of error handling I see
is, of course, an invalid input given to the translator. Something
that clearly requires a recovery strategy. Yet, I'm always frustrated
at an endless stream of induced error messages when I see one. Something
that makes the code for dealing with correct recovery in C++ grow longer
every day. Longer and untested :-(

Exceptions/return values/waserror() these are all just mechanisms for
controlling the flow of your application -- they can get you to a
particular place in your code, but deciding what to do once you're
there is when it gets complicated.  

Thanks,
Roman.

P.S. It is also interesting to note that a chapter on error and
resource handling in "Practice of Programming" is the least prescriptive
of them all, basically stating that authors don't have a clear
answer.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-06-12  1:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 229+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-07 17:58 [9fans] gcc on plan9 Corey
2006-06-07 18:24 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 18:50   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 18:55     ` William Josephson
2006-06-07 20:12       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:20         ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 20:42           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:44         ` William Josephson
2006-06-07 21:00           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 19:05     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 20:13       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:48         ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 21:04           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  6:42             ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-08  7:00               ` Iruatã Souza (muzgo)
2006-06-07 19:48   ` Corey
2006-06-07 20:16     ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:26       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 20:43         ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  5:49           ` lucio
2006-06-07 18:57 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-07 19:55   ` Corey
2006-06-07 20:46     ` rog
2006-06-07 21:07       ` Corey
2006-06-07 21:16         ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-06-07 21:25           ` Rodolfo (kix)
2006-06-07 21:50             ` Corey
2006-06-07 21:54               ` David Leimbach
2006-06-07 21:56               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 22:06               ` Lluís Batlle i Rossell
2006-06-07 22:16                 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-07 22:31                   ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-07 22:33                     ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  9:44                       ` Victor Nazarov
2006-06-09 21:13                   ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-08  1:28                 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 13:12                   ` Lluís Batlle
2006-06-09 13:21                     ` quanstro
2006-06-09 13:47                       ` Lluís Batlle
2006-06-07 23:04               ` geoff
2006-06-07 23:10                 ` Steve Simon
2006-06-08  0:22                   ` Bakul Shah
2006-06-08  0:27                   ` geoff
2006-06-08  3:31                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08 15:04                     ` David Leimbach
2006-06-08 15:20                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 23:15                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-08  0:17                   ` geoff
2006-06-09 21:15                   ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:26                     ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-09 21:27                       ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-09 21:34                       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:38                         ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-09 21:44                           ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-10  6:57                         ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"
2006-06-08  1:58                 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-08  0:53                   ` geoff
2006-06-08  1:07                     ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-08  1:15                       ` quanstro
2006-06-08 15:02                         ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09  4:04                           ` quanstro
2006-06-08  1:22                       ` geoff
2006-06-08  1:25                         ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-09 21:21                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:27                             ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-08 14:59                         ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09  4:05                           ` quanstro
2006-06-08  1:39                       ` [9fans] quantity vs. quality Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-06-08  3:05                         ` Dan Cross
2006-06-08  3:44                           ` Joel Salomon
2006-06-08  7:03                             ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-09 22:03                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 22:44                             ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09 22:46                               ` quanstro
2006-06-09 22:51                               ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-09 22:55                                 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 23:19                                   ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-09 23:29                                     ` quanstro
2006-06-10  1:57                                       ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-09 23:51                                         ` quanstro
2006-06-10  0:10                                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-10  2:31                                             ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10  0:45                                               ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-10  3:01                                                 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10  0:52                                                   ` quanstro
2006-06-10  1:04                                                   ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-10 23:13                                                 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11  0:44                                                   ` quanstro
2006-06-11  5:08                                                     ` lucio
2006-06-11 10:09                                                       ` quanstro
2006-06-11 12:00                                                         ` lucio
2006-06-11 22:59                                                           ` quanstro
2006-06-11 23:26                                                           ` geoff
2006-06-12  3:45                                                             ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-12 20:16                                                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-12 20:23                                                                 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-12 20:56                                                                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-12 21:09                                                                     ` Victor Nazarov
2006-06-13  0:05                                                                     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-12 21:15                                                                 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-13 12:08                                                                   ` rog
2006-06-13 16:34                                                                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-06-13 21:35                                                                       ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"
2006-06-14 22:09                                                                     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-15 15:46                                                                       ` Victor Nazarov
2006-06-11  5:42                                                   ` Russ Cox
2006-06-11 10:08                                                     ` quanstro
2006-06-12  1:03                                                   ` Roman Shaposhnik [this message]
2006-06-10 23:05                                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11  0:00                                                 ` quanstro
2006-06-10  0:24                                           ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-10  0:36                                             ` quanstro
2006-06-10  2:27                                           ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10  0:23                                             ` quanstro
2006-06-10  0:41                                               ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-10  0:59                                                 ` quanstro
2006-06-10  1:15                                                   ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-10  5:19                                                     ` Bruce Ellis
2006-06-10  2:51                                               ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10  0:45                                                 ` quanstro
2006-06-10  3:10                                                   ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10  0:53                                                     ` quanstro
2006-06-10 23:06                                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-10 23:15                                                 ` geoff
2006-06-11  2:58                                                 ` jmk
2006-06-10 23:04                                           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11  0:05                                             ` quanstro
2006-06-10 23:03                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-09 23:25                                 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-09 23:38                                   ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09 23:45                                     ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-09 23:46                                     ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-10 23:03                                       ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-10 23:02                                     ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11  0:12                                       ` quanstro
2006-06-11  2:20                                         ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11 22:31                                       ` David Leimbach
2006-06-10  0:28                               ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:29                         ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:34                           ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-08  1:49                   ` [9fans] gcc on plan9 Ignacio Torres Masdeu
2006-06-08 14:10                 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09  4:09                   ` quanstro
2006-06-09  5:25                     ` David Leimbach
2006-06-07 22:39           ` Corey
2006-06-07 22:49             ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-07 23:17               ` Corey
2006-06-07 23:37                 ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-08  0:50                   ` quanstro
2006-06-08  1:16                     ` John Barham
2006-06-08 14:51                     ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09  4:49                       ` ems
2006-06-09 12:07                       ` quanstro
2006-06-09 19:17                       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:27                         ` Bakul Shah
2006-06-09 21:33                           ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-09 21:39                             ` quanstro
2006-06-09 21:56                               ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-09 22:01                                 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 22:17                                   ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-09 22:35                                     ` quanstro
2006-06-09 22:22                             ` Bakul Shah
2006-06-09 22:30                               ` quanstro
2006-06-09 23:22                                 ` Bakul Shah
2006-06-10 13:51                                 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-10 23:21                                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11  0:07                                     ` LiteStar numnums
2006-06-10  0:00                               ` Harri Haataja
2006-06-10  0:03                                 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-06-10  1:00                               ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-10  4:37                                 ` Iruatã Souza (muzgo)
2006-06-12  0:35                                   ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-09 21:43                           ` quanstro
2006-06-10 12:43                           ` rog
2006-06-07 22:56             ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-06-07 23:08               ` Dan Cross
2006-06-07 23:32                 ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-06-07 23:48                   ` Dan Cross
2006-06-08  0:32               ` Corey
2006-06-08  1:04                 ` jmk
2006-06-08  3:35                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  3:51                     ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  4:07                       ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-08  5:19                         ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  6:07                           ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-06-08 17:45                           ` Micah Stetson
2006-06-08 18:54                             ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08 18:55                             ` Iruatã Souza (muzgo)
2006-06-08 18:56                               ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-08 19:01                                 ` Iruatã Souza (muzgo)
2006-06-09 19:56                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 22:19                             ` quanstro
2006-06-09 23:19                               ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  4:11                       ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-08  5:25                       ` ems
2006-06-08  5:43                         ` Simon Williams
2006-06-08  6:09                           ` Bruce Ellis
2006-07-16 15:17                         ` ASCII Glenda (was Re: [9fans] gcc on plan9) csant
2006-07-16 22:17                           ` e.c.sharpe
2006-07-16 22:37                             ` Jack Johnson
2006-07-17  8:35                               ` Rodolfo (kix)
2006-06-08  1:06                 ` [9fans] gcc on plan9 geoff
2006-06-08  1:21                   ` quanstro
2006-06-08 10:15                   ` Victor Nazarov
2006-06-08  9:40             ` Lluís Batlle
2006-06-08 15:55               ` Corey
2006-06-08 22:48                 ` Fred Wade
2006-06-08 23:08     ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-08 23:51       ` Corey
2006-06-07 20:46 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-07 19:07   ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 19:17     ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-07 19:26       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 19:35         ` Brantley Coile
2006-06-07 20:15           ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:32             ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 19:47         ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-07 20:00           ` Corey
2006-06-07 20:13           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 20:40             ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08  6:49               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-07 21:21       ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-06-07 21:49         ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 22:50           ` Dan Cross
2006-06-08  7:30 [9fans] quantity vs. quality cej
2006-06-08  9:32 ` Lluís Batlle
2006-06-08 15:29   ` David Leimbach
2006-06-08 15:43     ` jmk
2006-06-09  6:01 cej

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