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From: Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@sun.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] speaking of kenc
Date: Sun,  6 May 2007 13:23:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1178483015.12482.37.camel@linux.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dc402d1a3e016823c2aa9431fff95ba7@hamnavoe.com>

On Sun, 2007-05-06 at 14:18 +0100, Richard Miller wrote:
> > The
> > transputer had no assembly.
> 
> Not qute true actually.
> 
> The inmos occam compiler for the transputer did have an inline
> assembly language construct.  But this quote from my copy of the
> Transputer Development System manual (1988) shows its use was not
> encouraged.  Note the implication that the machine language should
> only be of interest to compiler writers ...
> 
> "The code insertion mechanism enables the user to access the
> instruction set of the transputer directly within the framework of an
> occam program.  Symbolic access to occam variable names is supported,
> as is automatic jump sizing.  More details on the instruction set may
> be found in the INMOS document 'The transputer instruction set -- a
> compiler writer's guide'. 
> 
> "Code insertion may be employed to perform tasks not possible from
> occam, or for particularly time-critical sections of a program.  There
> are several reasons, however, which should encourage the user to
> refrain from using code insertion as a solution to problems which may,
> with some thought, be solved using occam.  Paramount among these is
> that the validity of a system consisting entirely of occam can be
> checked by the compiler.  A compiler can check usage of channels,
> access to variables, communications protocols and range violations.  A
> single code insert prevents the compiler from performing these checks
> adequately.  A second reason for not using code insertions is that the
> transputer instruction set is suited for use by a high level language,
> particularly occam, and algorithms which are simple to code and easy
> to debug in occam become difficult and obscure when coded in the
> transputer instruction set directly."

  The above sounds very appropriate. Note, that given a proper mechanism
for creating asm-based intrinsic routines and also a proper mechanism
for inlining them -- we can have a very attractive solution to the
asm problem in C language as well. From that vantage point, GNU __asm
inlines surely seem like an overkill.  

Thanks,
Roman.



  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-06 20:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 149+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-27  3:08 erik quanstrom
2007-04-27  3:44 ` David Leimbach
2007-04-27  4:56   ` Bruce Ellis
2007-04-27  6:21     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-04-27  4:54 ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-04-27  4:58   ` Bruce Ellis
2007-04-27 11:00   ` Charles Forsyth
2007-04-27 13:49     ` David Leimbach
2007-04-27 16:23       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-04-29  2:02         ` erik quanstrom
2007-04-29  2:55           ` Tim Wiess
2007-04-29  6:42             ` Uriel
2007-04-29 20:47           ` Charles Forsyth
2007-04-30  8:29           ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-04-30 13:08             ` Uriel
2007-05-01  0:22             ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-01 14:45               ` Jon Snader
2007-05-01 14:56                 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-05-01 15:12                   ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-01 15:29                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2007-05-01 21:32                   ` Jon Snader
2007-05-02  0:04                   ` Derek Fawcus
2007-05-02  8:44                     ` Charles Forsyth
2007-05-01 15:51                 ` Anthony Sorace
2007-05-02  8:32                   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-05-02  9:00                     ` Steve Simon
2007-05-03  1:32                       ` David Arnold
2007-05-03  3:39                         ` Adrian Tritschler
2007-05-03  3:57                           ` Paul Lalonde
2007-05-03  4:11                             ` Federico Benavento
2007-05-03 13:34                               ` Anthony Sorace
2007-05-03 22:04                               ` LiteStar numnums
2007-05-04  1:45                               ` Roman Shaposhnick
2007-05-04  1:51                                 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-05-04  2:00                                 ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-04  2:08                                   ` Roman Shaposhnick
2007-05-04  2:12                                     ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-05-04  2:20                                       ` Roman Shaposhnick
2007-05-04  2:35                                         ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2007-05-04  6:53                                           ` Bruce Ellis
2007-05-05  4:49                                             ` Roman Shaposhnick
2007-05-05  5:11                                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2007-05-05  5:14                                             ` Bruce Ellis
2007-05-05 18:52                                               ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-05 19:13                                                 ` lucio
2007-05-05 23:09                                                   ` Bruce Ellis
2007-05-06  1:24                                                     ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  4:08                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-06  4:53                                                     ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  5:01                                                     ` lucio
2007-05-06  5:01                                                     ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  5:07                                                       ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  5:15                                                         ` lucio
2007-05-06  5:37                                                           ` Bruce Ellis
2007-05-06  6:30                                                           ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  6:46                                                             ` lucio
2007-05-06  6:49                                                             ` lucio
2007-05-06  7:35                                                               ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  6:51                                                             ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06 10:25                                                               ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  6:04                                                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-05-06  7:24                                                           ` lucio
2007-05-06 11:47                                                             ` Bruce Ellis
2007-05-07  1:55                                                           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-05-06  5:12                                                       ` lucio
2007-05-06 13:18                                                         ` Richard Miller
2007-05-06 20:23                                                           ` Roman Shaposhnik [this message]
2007-05-07  1:57                                                         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-05-07  4:29                                                           ` W B Hacker
2007-05-07 15:08                                                             ` Tim Wiess
2007-05-06  5:15                                                       ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  7:43                                                         ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  8:02                                                           ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  8:12                                                             ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  9:00                                                               ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  8:03                                                           ` lucio
2007-05-06  8:42                                                             ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06 10:20                                                               ` matt
2007-05-06 10:29                                                                 ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  9:09                                                             ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  5:10                                                     ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  5:32                                                       ` lucio
2007-05-06  6:18                                                         ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  6:30                                                           ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  6:21                                                         ` W B Hacker
2007-05-07  1:47                                                     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-05-06  1:13                                               ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  3:31                                                 ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  4:10                                                 ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-06  4:55                                                   ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  5:10                                                     ` lucio
2007-05-06  6:05                                                       ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  8:45                                                         ` matt
2007-05-06  6:45                                                       ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  6:52                                                         ` lucio
2007-05-06  7:09                                                           ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  7:34                                                             ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  7:49                                                               ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  7:54                                                               ` lucio
2007-05-06  8:35                                                                 ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-06  7:40                                                             ` lucio
2007-05-06  8:59                                                               ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  7:03                                                         ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06  5:21                                                 ` Bruce Ellis
2007-05-06  7:01                                                   ` Rogelio Serrano
2007-05-05  5:30                                             ` lucio
2007-05-04  2:16                                     ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-04  9:24                                       ` C H Forsyth
2007-05-04 11:18                                         ` erik quanstrom
2007-05-04 16:19                                         ` Paul Lalonde
2007-05-04 21:58                                           ` Dave Eckhardt
2007-05-04 22:27                                             ` Paul Lalonde
2007-05-04  8:46                                 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-05-05  4:47                                   ` Roman Shaposhnick
2007-05-02  8:33                 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-05-02 11:25                   ` Jon Snader
2007-05-02  8:33               ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-05-02 11:30                 ` erik quanstrom
2007-04-27 16:21     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-04-27 11:12   ` Charles Forsyth
2007-04-27 11:46   ` erik quanstrom
2007-04-27 14:21     ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-04-27 14:26       ` erik quanstrom
2007-04-27 14:41         ` Rob Pike
2007-04-27 14:55         ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-04-27 15:24           ` erik quanstrom
2007-04-27 15:53           ` C H Forsyth
2007-04-28  9:09   ` ron minnich
2007-04-28  9:17     ` Lucio De Re
2007-04-28 13:48       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-04-28 13:57         ` Lucio De Re
2007-04-28 14:15         ` LiteStar numnums
2007-04-28 21:21         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-04-28 21:54           ` ron minnich
2007-04-28 22:33             ` Steve Simon
2007-04-28 15:45     ` Charles Forsyth
2007-04-28 17:58       ` Rodrigo Miranda
2007-04-28 20:12         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2007-04-28 21:10           ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-04-28 18:15       ` Lluís Batlle i Rossell
2007-04-29  2:39       ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-04-29 12:41         ` erik quanstrom
2007-04-29 16:00           ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-04-28 21:24     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-05-06 12:36 erik quanstrom
2007-05-06 15:18 ` lucio
2007-05-06 16:23   ` W B Hacker
2007-05-06 17:53     ` Benn Newman
2007-05-06 17:56       ` Francisco J Ballesteros

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