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From: jsnx <jason.dusek@gmail.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: [9fans] Re: everything is a directory
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 08:49:29 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1187806018.156523.182690@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5d375e920708201825r44ea34f3m7500c4760db7024f@mail.gmail.com>

On Aug 22, 2:54 am, app <porttik...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 22, 11:47 am, jsnx <jason.du...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 21, 1:48 am, app <porttik...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I would just like to remind, that directories with union mounts do
> > > present "inheritance"...Exactly like in SmallTalk or C++ or
> > > Java.
>
> > Well, it's not exactly like in Java, since you are composing *two*
> > bases to make a child -- that's multiple inheritance, which is not
> > permitted in Java.
>
> In OO you are _always_ composing stuff from at least two sets of
> data...

The reason I'm calling it 'multiple inheritance' is because there are
two distinct bases which you are extending to create a child. In
single inheritance, there is one base that you extend to create a
childhood.

The only reason I bring it up is to point out the loose coupling of OO
languages and the notion you are talking about. It is much more like
mixins, a feature in Ruby, than it is like inheritance in Java.

Why do I stress this point? Because of my Jihad against object-
oriented programming in particular, and my distress at the general
willingness of folks in the computing community to compare good
features in any system to bad features in object-oriented programming.

By noting the connection between inheritance and unions, you have not
seen into inheritance but rather through it -- out the other side to a
rich world of architectural approaches.

> Benefits in Plan 9 approach are numerous: language independence, free
> serialization, optional persistence, networking, object naming and
> object permissions provided automatically by the system, not by
> programmers.

Indeed, I agree -- using the filesystem is the "way of the future"^tm
for module composition, document structure, laying out web sites,
managing users...

We can only hope for the day when people realize that text streams are
the real Common Language Runtime!


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-23  8:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-16  9:30 [9fans] " jsnx
2007-08-16 10:42 ` maht
2007-08-16 11:47   ` Charles Forsyth
2007-08-17  8:41   ` [9fans] " jsnx
2007-08-16 12:39 ` [9fans] " Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-08-16 14:01 ` David Leimbach
2007-08-16 14:39   ` erik quanstrom
2007-08-16 15:58   ` maht
2007-08-16 17:45     ` David Leimbach
2007-08-16 19:01       ` ron minnich
2007-08-16 19:37         ` Robert Sherwood
2007-08-16 20:49           ` David Leimbach
2007-08-17  8:42             ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-08-17 13:00               ` ron minnich
2007-08-17 13:24                 ` erik quanstrom
2007-08-17 13:35                   ` plan9
2007-08-17 14:22                     ` ron minnich
2007-08-17 14:29                       ` David Leimbach
2007-08-17 14:29                         ` Richard Miller
2007-08-17 14:49                         ` ron minnich
2007-08-17 17:49                           ` David Leimbach
2007-08-17 18:09                             ` Charles Forsyth
2007-08-20  8:48                   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-08-20  8:48                 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-08-20 14:29                   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-08-20 14:53                     ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-08-20 15:02                     ` Rob Pike
2007-08-21  8:48                       ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-08-21  8:47                     ` [9fans] " jsnx
2007-08-21  8:47                 ` jsnx
2007-08-23  8:50                   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-08-24  8:39                 ` jsnx
2007-08-29  9:06                   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-08-30  8:35                 ` jsnx
2007-08-30 13:18                   ` David Leimbach
2007-08-31  9:07                     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-08-31 18:04                       ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-09-01 12:07                         ` Uriel
2007-09-02  1:11                           ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-09-02  2:14                             ` erik quanstrom
2007-09-02  5:01                               ` Anthony Martin
2007-09-02 13:00                             ` Uriel
2007-09-02 16:53                               ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-09-03  7:50                                 ` Uriel
2007-09-03 16:40                                   ` Joel C. Salomon
2007-09-03 19:51                                     ` Uriel
2007-09-09 21:41                                   ` roger peppe
2007-09-03  9:27                             ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-09-03 11:03                               ` Charles Forsyth
2007-08-17 14:27               ` [9fans] " David Leimbach
2007-08-17  4:11           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-08-17  8:42     ` [9fans] " jsnx
2007-08-17 13:25       ` erik quanstrom
2007-08-17  0:39   ` [9fans] " Uriel
2007-08-17  8:59     ` matt
2007-08-17 12:05       ` erik quanstrom
2007-08-20  8:47       ` [9fans] " jsnx
2007-08-20  9:00         ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2007-08-20 11:34           ` Tom Lieber
2007-08-20 11:40             ` erik quanstrom
2007-08-20 13:33               ` Uriel
2007-08-20 17:36             ` Paweł Lasek
2007-08-20 18:26               ` erik quanstrom
2007-08-20 18:48                 ` Paweł Lasek
2007-08-20 19:52               ` Dave Eckhardt
2007-08-20 21:28                 ` Robert William Fuller
2007-08-20 21:40                   ` erik quanstrom
2007-08-20 22:05                     ` Robert William Fuller
2007-08-21 11:29                       ` Brantley Coile
2007-08-21 17:54                       ` Robert Raschke
2007-08-22  7:38                         ` andrey mirtchovski
2007-08-20 22:12                     ` David Leimbach
2007-08-21  0:37                       ` dave.l
2007-08-21  1:14                         ` David Leimbach
2007-08-21  1:25                           ` Uriel
2007-08-21  1:44                             ` David Leimbach
2007-08-21  8:48                             ` app
2007-08-22  8:47                             ` jsnx
2007-08-22  9:54                             ` app
2007-08-22 11:22                               ` roger peppe
2007-08-22 11:30                               ` erik quanstrom
2007-08-23  8:49                             ` jsnx [this message]
2007-08-21  1:26                         ` Roman Shaposhnick
2007-08-21  1:28                           ` Uriel
2007-08-22  8:47                     ` jsnx
2007-08-20 21:57                   ` Uriel
2007-08-20 22:08                     ` Robert William Fuller
2007-08-21  8:48             ` jsnx
2007-08-20 11:17         ` erik quanstrom
2007-08-20 17:40         ` Roman Shaposhnick
2007-08-20 17:52           ` Uriel
2007-08-23  8:49           ` jsnx
2007-08-23 10:35             ` Steve Simon
2007-08-24  8:40             ` jsnx
2007-08-24  8:57               ` Martin Neubauer
2007-08-24 10:55               ` David Leimbach
2007-09-06  4:06                 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-08-29  9:06               ` jsnx
2007-08-30  1:41                 ` Uriel
2007-09-06  5:06                 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2007-08-29  9:06             ` jsnx
2007-08-23 15:29           ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-08-21  8:48         ` jsnx
2007-08-21 11:22           ` Uriel
2007-08-21 15:05           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2007-08-20  8:48     ` [9fans] " Douglas A. Gwyn
2007-08-17  8:42 ` [9fans] " jsnx

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