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From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] More 'Sam I am'
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:01:47 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <11d846ba1d1323cc1e956b2f67dfa6ec@plan9.bell-labs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0a40e57b4fa1fc9cd7020b2d240214d6@quanstro.net>

Many years ago now, a good friend of mine remarked that
if we actually made all those whining about the state of things
now compared to the "good old days" go back to using v7 Unix,
they would quickly realise that times had actually moved
forward and there were things they were used to that it didn't
have and that they really needed. I used v[567] and I've
ported v7, and I wouldn't go back. From what I understand,
Plan 9 was an attempt to build on that by saying "this got
us so far, but times are changing and it won't cut it with
networks, bitmapped displays, SMP etc, we need a better base".
That was a long time ago and no one has, to my limited
non- computer science knowledge, attempted anything similar,
they're all still working on copying 30 year old technology.

I don't have an iPod, my mobile phone is 5 years old and I
turn it on about 4 hours a week and there are many things
about the 21st century that make me grumpy. But you can't go
back. You should, however, be careful about how how you
go forward.

--jim

On Fri Feb 10 19:12:00 EST 2006, quanstro@quanstro.net wrote:
> isn't this the "i don't trust new software" argument resurrected?
> let's all install V7 from mag tape on our pdp-11s. ;-)
> 
> sorry. i couldn't resist.
> 
> - erik
> 
> On Fri Feb 10 16:54:45 CST 2006, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:
> > > Would you pick
> > > XML or ASN.1 if those were the only two options?  If the pointy-haired
> > > powers that be are mandating one or the other and, ``neither'' isn't in
> > > the range of possible solutions?
> > 
> > What are the alternatives?  My pick is ASN.1, any time.  You can call
> > the ITU-T by as many ugly names as you like, but their standards are
> > considerably more firm than more recent publications.
> > 
> > ++L
> > 


  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-11  3:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-11  0:10 quanstro
2006-02-11  3:01 ` jmk [this message]
2006-02-11 14:29   ` [9fans] asn.1 alternatives Charles Forsyth
2006-02-11 14:54     ` Sape Mullender
2006-02-11 16:13       ` lucio
2006-02-11 16:57       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-02-11 16:05     ` lucio
2006-02-11 17:52       ` Marina Brown
2006-02-11 16:28     ` Dan Cross
2006-02-11 16:53       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-02-11 22:47       ` Brantley Coile
2006-02-20  0:04     ` Harri Haataja
2006-02-11  6:04 ` ASN.1 (Was: [9fans] More 'Sam I am') lucio
2006-02-11  6:54   ` geoff
2006-02-11  8:06     ` lucio
2006-02-11  8:44       ` geoff
2006-02-11 12:10         ` lucio
2006-02-11  8:55     ` Steve Simon
2006-02-11  9:16       ` Bruce Ellis
2006-02-11  7:04   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-02-11  7:09     ` geoff
2006-02-11  7:53       ` lucio
2006-02-11  7:53       ` Skip Tavakkolian
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-02-24 13:36 [9fans] More 'Sam I am' quanstro
2006-02-24 13:49 ` Anselm R. Garbe
2006-02-24 14:24   ` Gabriel Ivanes
2006-02-24  0:55 quanstro
2006-02-24  3:46 ` yard-ape
2006-02-24  4:40 ` Lucio De Re
2006-02-25  7:43   ` Serge Gagnon
2006-04-24 18:05   ` Serge Gagnon
2006-02-11  4:48 quanstro
2006-02-11 11:22 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-02-11  3:40 quanstro
2006-02-10 16:49 quanstro
2006-02-10 15:22 quanstro
2006-02-10 14:09 quanstro
2006-02-10 14:15 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-02-10 15:17 ` John Stalker
2006-02-10 13:44 quanstro
2006-02-10 13:57 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-02-10 12:28 Aharon Robbins
2006-02-10 12:51 ` Dave Lukes
2006-02-10 14:04   ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-02-10 16:15     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-02-10 17:22       ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-02-10 17:41         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-02-10 18:21           ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-02-10 20:32             ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-02-11  4:36     ` Marina Brown
2006-02-11  4:39       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-02-11  5:06     ` jmk
2006-02-11  6:52       ` lucio
2006-02-10 15:17 ` uriel
2006-02-10 17:42 ` Bakul Shah
2006-02-08  4:34 Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-02-08  5:29 ` Russ Cox
2006-02-08  5:51   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-02-08  6:14     ` Russ Cox
2006-02-08  6:30       ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-02-08  6:46         ` geoff
2006-02-08  6:50           ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-02-08 17:31             ` Dan Cross
2006-02-08 18:14               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-02-08 21:28                 ` Dan Cross
2006-02-10  9:47                   ` Aharon Robbins
2006-02-10 10:45                     ` Steve Simon
2006-02-10 14:40                       ` Dan Cross
2006-02-10 22:53                         ` lucio
2006-02-23 22:52                       ` Victor Nazarov
2006-02-10 11:05                     ` uriel
2006-02-10 12:59                     ` Bruce Ellis
2006-02-08 18:20               ` uriel
2006-02-08 19:50                 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-02-08 21:35                 ` Dan Cross
2006-02-08 21:43                   ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-02-08 22:57                     ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-02-09  0:03                       ` Dan Cross
2006-02-09  0:17                         ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-02-09  0:26                           ` Dan Cross
2006-02-09  0:43                             ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-02-09  1:11                               ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-02-09  1:47                                 ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-02-09  1:56                                 ` Marina Brown
2006-02-09  2:35                                   ` Federico Benavento
2006-02-09  7:34                                     ` Bruce Ellis
2006-02-09 20:11                                     ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-02-09 16:06                                   ` Dave Eckhardt
2006-02-09 22:44                                     ` Marina Brown
2006-02-09 23:06                                       ` Bakul Shah
2006-02-10  1:37                                         ` Micah Stetson
2006-02-08 22:58                     ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-02-09 13:04                     ` LiteStar numnums

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