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From: "Roman V. Shaposhnik" <rvs@sun.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] directly opening Plan9 devices
Date: Thu,  8 Jan 2009 09:43:14 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1231436594.5141.255.camel@goose.sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <13426df10901070855t49869a03k3db4fb51b69373a3@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 08:55 -0800, ron minnich wrote:
> The underlying assumption of motivation for this discussion is that
> jailing (or whatever we want to call it) is somehow a good thing.
> Given that every CPU we care about comes with virtualization hardware,
> I just can't see the point of jails -- seems like an idea whose time
> has gone, kind of like 8086 segments.
>
> If we give up on using RFNOMNT as a jailing mechanism, do the concerns
> really make any sense?

Well, as was pointed out before -- not all hardware supports
virtualization. And it would be a mistake to stick a virtualization
layer into every bit of silicone.

The discussion here is really about one kernel vs. many. Hardware
not being able to run many gives you one constraint. Another
issue is that many kernels don't share anything unless explicitly
told so. A single kernel have access to everything and thus
needs to be explicitly told when access to resources is NOT to be
granted.

Just two ways to think about it. Don't know which one is better.

Thanks,
Roman.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-01-08 17:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-03 21:44 Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-03 21:46 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-03 21:56   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-03 22:03     ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-03 22:40       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-03 22:46         ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2009-01-03 22:56           ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-04  5:00             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-04  5:40               ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-04  4:58           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-03 22:57         ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-03 23:15           ` Russ Cox
2009-01-03 23:17             ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-04  5:07             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-04  5:05           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-03 22:21     ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2009-01-03 22:40       ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-04  5:12       ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-04  5:27         ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-04  5:39           ` lucio
2009-01-04  5:42             ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-05  0:52           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-05  6:21             ` Roman Zhukov
2009-01-05 11:00             ` Charles Forsyth
2009-01-06  5:02               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-01-06 14:17                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-07 16:55                   ` ron minnich
2009-01-07 17:16                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-08  5:13                       ` ron minnich
2009-01-08 13:37                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-08 14:03                           ` Charles Forsyth
2009-01-08 15:36                           ` ron minnich
2009-01-08 15:44                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-08 17:34                             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-08 17:35                             ` Charles Forsyth
2009-01-08  7:45                     ` Dave Eckhardt
2009-01-08 17:43                     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik [this message]
2009-01-08 23:30                   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-04  7:01         ` Russ Cox
2009-01-04 11:41           ` lucio
2009-01-04 13:01             ` Uriel
2009-01-04 13:16               ` lucio
2009-01-05  0:41           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik

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