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From: "Roman V. Shaposhnik" <rvs@sun.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Sources Gone?
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:09:56 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1233263396.4412.164.camel@goose.sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dd6fe68a0901290918j75d8c5fdnf22efeea09db70ae@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 09:18 -0800, Russ Cox wrote:
> Onr fundamental difference is that the latter set is
> intended to keep trees exactly in sync,

"trees" tend to be highly overloaded, but if you refer
to the filesystem hierarchy as seem by open, then the
above statement, if applied to Git, is misleading.

Git specifically opted out for some additional complexity
in favor of treating the non-mutable hash addressed history
and write buffer differently.

Not realizing that git makes this distinction, makes people
surprised when they try to push their own history into
the repositories of others only to find out that the
tree they see locally doesn't match the tree that is on
the other end.

This rigid distinction was one of the factors that swayed
us in favor of Git when we did internal evaluation of
DSCMs about a yer ago. It really makes things much more
manageable.

> The replica tools are not SHA1-based because they
> cannot depend on the user having a venti to manage
> the blocks, and managing a separate copy of the data
> (like the dvcs's do) seemed out of character with
> fitting well into the surrounding system.

That is well understood and replica definitely has its
place in Plan9.

That said, what would be your thoughts on developing the
tools (and interfaces perhaps) for fetching up venti
blocks between two systems in a secure and manageable way.

It seems that as a *complimentary* solution this would
achieve quite a few benefits of Git/etc.

Thanks,
Roman.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-01-29 21:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-23 11:56 Gregory Pavelcak
2009-01-23 14:15 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-23 14:54 ` lucio
2009-01-23 15:09   ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-27 22:59   ` Uriel
2009-01-27 23:32     ` Russ Cox
2009-01-28  0:58       ` Kenji Arisawa
2009-01-28  5:06       ` Uriel
2009-01-28 11:46         ` Iruata Souza
2009-01-28 12:41           ` Charles Forsyth
2009-01-28 13:53         ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-29 12:12           ` Uriel
2009-01-29 13:37             ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-29 16:45               ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-29 16:15             ` ron minnich
2009-01-29 16:34               ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-29 16:30             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-29 17:18               ` Russ Cox
2009-01-29 17:30                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-29 17:43                   ` Russ Cox
2009-01-29 17:39                 ` gas
2009-01-29 21:09                 ` Roman V. Shaposhnik [this message]
2009-01-29 21:42                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-29 23:05                     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-29 23:49                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-01-30  0:28                         ` Russ Cox
2009-01-30  4:46                           ` [9fans] Venti and version control (Was: Sources Gone?) lucio
2009-01-30  5:18                       ` [9fans] Sources Gone? lucio
2009-01-31 13:45                         ` Bruce Ellis
2009-01-31 18:12                           ` Akshat Kumar
2009-01-31 18:44                             ` Bruce Ellis
2009-02-02 22:33                         ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-02-02 22:43                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-02-02 23:26                             ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-02-02 23:39                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-02-03 10:04                             ` Richard Miller
2009-02-03  4:23                           ` lucio
2009-02-03  5:23                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-02-03  5:47                               ` lucio
2009-02-03 12:54                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-02-03 13:38                                   ` roger peppe
2009-02-03 14:01                                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-02-03 16:13                                       ` Anthony Sorace
2009-02-03 16:22                                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-02-03 16:51                                       ` roger peppe
2009-02-03 16:55                                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-02-03 17:30                                         ` Brian L. Stuart
2009-02-05  1:24                                           ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-02-03 17:42                                       ` lucio
2009-02-03 17:40                                     ` lucio
2009-02-03 17:51                                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-02-04  8:40                                   ` sqweek
2009-02-04 16:40                                     ` [9fans] Some arithmetic [was: Re: Sources Gone?] Nathaniel W Filardo
2009-02-04 17:10                                       ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2009-02-04 17:49                                       ` hiro
2009-02-05 11:19                                         ` Dave Eckhardt
2009-02-05 17:38                                           ` Russ Cox
2009-02-05 17:41                                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-02-05 18:08                                               ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-02-05 18:22                                                 ` Micah Stetson
2009-02-05 18:29                                                   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-02-05 18:31                                                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-02-05 18:32                                               ` hiro
2009-01-30  4:25                     ` [9fans] Sources Gone? lucio
2009-01-29 22:33                   ` Russ Cox
2009-01-29 22:58                     ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-01-29 23:06                       ` Russ Cox
2009-01-29 12:13           ` kokamoto
2009-01-27 23:11   ` Patrick Kristiansen
2009-01-28  0:11     ` Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
2009-01-28  5:55       ` lucio
2009-01-29 18:00 erik quanstrom
2009-01-29 18:00 erik quanstrom
     [not found] <2b0250f2fe16a645a4641825c2f33741@quanstro.net>
2009-02-03 17:27 ` lucio
2009-02-05  1:20   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik

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