From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Wes Kussmaul To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:57:49 -0400 Message-ID: <1318265869.1790.332.camel@Wes-Toshiba-Laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] tcl, 9p Topicbox-Message-UUID: 35c4231c-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 I wrote my first significant software project in 1971 in IBM 1620 assembly language. When I got done, I felt I was equipped to develop anything. In my subsequent job in a COBOL shop I became the house curmudgeon, sure that the language just got in the way. But looking back, there is no way we could have accomplished what we did in assembler. It's not that we're not all Von Neumanns, it's that if you want to accomplish bigger and bigger things you have to rely upon inefficient, inexpert automation to assume the burden of detail. Same way with people: you have to delegate, even though you know you can do it 5x better and faster than the people you delegate to. And look at it this way: delegation helps the economy by employing people and selling processors and memory :-) Wes Kussmaul On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 15:51 +0200, simon softnet wrote: > It's not necessary that you're feeding a troll, in my opinion. > I actually agree with the idea that C is enough. > I don't understand why you need garbage collection ... why do you need > to have garbage in the first place? > Just because time goes by does not mean everything should keep on > changing you know. > People have to understand that certain technologies can just stay as > they are, if they work well. > > Simon > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Paul Lalonde wrote: > > C is a low level language, not intermediate. > > In the second decade of the 21st century is it too much to ask for garbage > > collection and type safety? > > Hmm. I'm probably just feeding a troll. > > Paul > > > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:05 AM, Balwinder S Dheeman > > wrote: > >> > >> On 10/09/2011 08:04 AM, Russ Cox wrote: > >>> > >>> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:02 PM, L N wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Anyone know the state of the art of writing 9p clients/servers in tcl? > >>> > >>> I believe the state of the art is not to use tcl. :-) > >>> I'm having fun writing 9p clients in Go. > >> > >> IMHO, That Go or Go-language thingy seems to be an overkill to me for that > >> matter; that's just an opinion and opinions may differ. > >> > >> The best portable and efficient intermediate level language is C and I > >> hope it will remain a 'lingua franca' for computer programmers for years to > >> come ;) > >> > >> -- > >> Balwinder S "bdheeman" Dheeman > >> (http://werc.homelinux.net/contact/) > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > I'm migrating my email. plalonde@telus.net will soon be disconnected. > > Please use paul.a.lalonde@gmail.com from now on. > > > > >