From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10802021425g3a3997c6gee4adea985981317@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 14:25:03 -0800 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] A newbie question... In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0e742be69697735012d14c6319071fa1@terzarima.net> <5d375e920802020941k6f662ab1s3ac9a41d6d95bb66@mail.gmail.com> <20080202182756.GA862@shodan.homeunix.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 4081f7d8-ead3-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Feb 2, 2008 11:22 AM, Juan M. Mendez wrote: > So what are the facts to back up so many posts regarding autotools badness? > Just curious. 1. it's not needed. See plan9 ports and lots of other tools that somehow get by without it. 2. a 150,000 line configure shell script? That right there should tell you something's seriously wrong. but it happens. 3. it's not portable. Since the goal is portability, something has been lost here. 4. Warning from the openib stack: you have version 1.59 (or some such) of autotools, and I need 1.60 Oh, ok, there's a version of the configuration tools? What's wrong with this picture? It would all be funny but people actually use this stuff, and that's sad. ron