From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13426df10811081526tf9bac53r148997bd0b461344@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 15:26:53 -0800 From: "ron minnich" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <222CF7D8-0190-41AC-A9DC-87B1033C8062@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1226108725.17713.153.camel@goose.sun.com> <602d022987958658e5d9467747b97ed5@quanstro.net> <8ccc8ba40811080411h4a47a1x41178094552578c2@mail.gmail.com> <32A32480-526D-4AA7-BC78-EADFFC276233@sun.com> <775b8d190811081419q72ba6124x6766dc0c1a9e387d@mail.gmail.com> <222CF7D8-0190-41AC-A9DC-87B1033C8062@sun.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers? Topicbox-Message-UUID: 36cea41a-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > The most ironic thing of all is that one would expect a company which > stood behind a technology like ZFS to easily appreciate that. Especially > since we've always had a userland ZFS. And especially now, that > we are trying to figure out a cloud storage market story. But no. you had a userland nfs too :-) > > Now, not to date myself as a green youngling, but how are PHBs > to be convinced? They hear about 9P for the first time in their > life (unlike bullshit lotto items: WebDAV, XML, SOAP and REST) and > when they ask about *existing* client-side support there's not much I can > tell them. It's not just the PHBs. I showed the original 9p (for 2.0.36) in 1998 to a fair number of linux people, and back then I had private name spaces, union mounts, user level servers, in fact just about all you get in plan 9 today and STILL don't get in linux. They were strongly convinced there was no use for userland file systems, or union mounts, or private name spaces, or any of this stuff. They kept pointing to things that Linux did that were not at all what I was showing them, saying "we already do that". At some point I gave up. Years later, FUSE comes along, and ... well you know the story. So it goes. We can't blame the PHBs for everything. Sometimes its our own guys. ron