From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5d375e920907180959p1a7630eaj4d089c750b803e5f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A61E5CE.7080809@tecmav.com> <509071940907180925n74b32681oa54f0e46e1354ac6@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920907180959p1a7630eaj4d089c750b803e5f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:59:20 -0700 Message-ID: <13426df10907181059u192b75a6tefb37e56e3772f5@mail.gmail.com> From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Question about Plan9 project Topicbox-Message-UUID: 25e4630a-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Uriel wrote: > Plan 9 is *not* an open source project, it can hardly be called a > project even: There is no release management, there is no development > process, there is no way to know what anyone is working on, no way to > have any idea of what changes and features to expect in the future or > when, or when any given bug might be fixed, or even a bug database for > that matter, This is an interesting statement and should be revised. So let's correct it. Take that above text and add this, please: "That is visible to Uriel, or that will ever be visible to Uriel, or that Uriel has any possibility of influencing, given that Uriel has burned every last bridge he might have ever had with the Plan 9 developers to the ground.". > So you are on your own, you can take the code (while the site happens > to be up, or from a mirror), do whatever you like with it, but that is > all there is and all anyone can count on. So, let's revise this one too.. "I, Uriel, taking up Noah Evans offer, will be forking the code base and releasing an OS called Plan-U. I will provide servers that resolve all the problems seen with the bell labs server, and I will take on the task, with my friends, of providing all the things I see lacking in the current setup. It's much easier to contribute a solution than complain, and I am not the type who gets perverse joy out of just complaining and yelling at people on a mailing list. That game is for losers. Rather, I wish to provide a constructive solution, and I know that after a few months people will ignore the bell labs site and flock to mine. It worked for openbsd, and it can work for Plan U. As part of this effort, I hereby unsubscribe from this list, and am starting a new one called ufans for my new OS release. Please join me in this important work. " There now, wouldn't that be much easier? You already run a bunch of servers; I think you could pull it off. And it might lower your blood pressure :-) You declined Noah's serious offer to take over sources; here's another chance! Go for ti! You should not assume it would not work. Ron