From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4ACB8960.60604@conducive.org> References: <908aebe446ac7ac2d613feac1d220f9b@plan9.bell-labs.com> <13426df10910061021g3b033abbia134769baee934d3@mail.gmail.com> <4ACB8960.60604@conducive.org> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:36:40 -0700 Message-ID: <13426df10910061136w616f7cf9m2b566606663a9f50@mail.gmail.com> From: ron minnich To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1) Topicbox-Message-UUID: 81f061d0-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:16 AM, W B Hacker wrote: > > Anyone know if the AMD environment is any more 'open'? way, way, more open. same with via. They regularly contribute chipset source code to coreboot. That's my measure. > I hadn't paid much attention to the ARM until the recent '2 GHz' blurb, but > that's a game-changer. I think the PC guys have got to start watching the rear view mirror. I've seen the transition from mainframe->mini->workstation->pc in several sectors, and one driving factor was openness. Each time a given vendor class got into this "crown jewels and core IP" mode, and started locking out the users, something come along to knock it off its perch. And, in each case, the newcomer was initially slower and not quite as good was what it replaced, which led to the status quo vendors to ignore it until it was too late. Excuses are eerily the same, each time, almost without regard to the product family: "nobody else wants that" "we no longer release that information" etc. etc. etc. It's amazing. ron