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From: ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Barrelfish
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:50:40 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13426df10910190850q937f4f3x7afe383abbeb1a66@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091019152602.GA13857@nipl.net>

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Sam Watkins <sam@nipl.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 12:18:47PM -0600, Latchesar Ionkov wrote:
>> How do you plan to feed data to these 31 thousand processors so they
>> can be fully utilized? Have you done the calculations and checked what
>> memory bandwidth would you need for that?
>
> I would use a pipelining + divide-and-conquer approach, with some RAM on chip.
> Units would be smaller than a 6502, more like an adder.

I'm not convinced. Lucho just dropped a well known hard problem in
your lap (one he deals with every day) but your reply sounds like
handwaving.

This stuff is harder than it sounds. Unless you're ready to come up
with a simulation of your claim -- and it had better be a pretty good
one -- I don't think anybody is going to be buying.

If you're going to just have adders, for example, you're going to have
to explain where the instruction sequencing happens. If there's only
one sequencer, then you're going to have to explain why you have not
just reinvented the CM-2 or similar MPP.

Again, this stuff is quantifiable. A pipeline implies a clock rate.
Divide and conquer implies fanout. Where are the numbers?

ron



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-10-19 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<20091015105328.GA18947@nipl.net>
2009-10-15 13:27 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-15 13:40   ` Richard Miller
2009-10-16 17:20   ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-16 18:18     ` Latchesar Ionkov
2009-10-19 15:26       ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-19 15:33         ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-10-19 15:50         ` ron minnich [this message]
2009-10-16 21:17     ` Jason Catena
2009-10-17 20:58       ` Dave Eckhardt
2009-10-18  2:09         ` Jason Catena
2009-10-18 16:02           ` Dave Eckhardt
2009-10-17 18:45   ` Eris Discordia
2009-10-17 21:07     ` Steve Simon
2009-10-17 21:18       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-10-18  8:48         ` Eris Discordia
2009-10-18  8:44       ` Eris Discordia
2009-10-19 15:57     ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-19 16:03       ` ron minnich
2009-10-19 16:46       ` Russ Cox
2009-10-20  2:16       ` matt
2009-10-20  9:15         ` Steve Simon
2009-10-21 15:43         ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-21 16:11           ` Russ Cox
2009-10-21 16:37             ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-21 18:01           ` ron minnich
2009-10-28 15:37           ` matt
     [not found]   ` <A90043D02D52B2CBF2804FA4@192.168.1.2>
2009-10-18  0:06     ` ron minnich
2009-10-18  0:54       ` Roman Shaposhnik
     [not found] <<4ADD147A.4090801@maht0x0r.net>
2009-10-20  2:11 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-20  2:33   ` matt
     [not found] <<20091019182352.GA1688@polynum.com>
2009-10-19 18:48 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found] <<4ADC7439.3060502@maht0x0r.net>
2009-10-19 16:13 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-19 18:23   ` tlaronde
2009-10-20  1:38   ` matt
2009-10-20  1:58     ` Eris Discordia
2009-10-20  2:17       ` matt
     [not found] <<20091019155738.GB13857@nipl.net>
2009-10-19 16:05 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-19 16:34   ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-19 17:30     ` ron minnich
2009-10-19 17:57       ` W B Hacker
2009-10-19 18:14       ` David Leimbach
     [not found] <<20091018031508.717CE5B30@mail.bitblocks.com>
2009-10-19 13:44 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-19 14:36   ` David Leimbach
     [not found] <<d50d7d460910161417w45b5c675p8740315aaf6861f@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-16 22:25 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found] <<20091016172030.GB3135@nipl.net>
2009-10-16 18:34 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found] <<3e1162e60910150805q2ea3f682w688299a39274051c@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-15 15:28 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found] <<4AD70EE9.1010208@conducive.org>
2009-10-15 13:52 ` erik quanstrom
     [not found] <<207092dc429fe476c2046d537aeaa400@hamnavoe.com>
2009-10-15 13:52 ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-15 15:07   ` David Leimbach
2009-10-15 15:21     ` roger peppe
2009-10-16 17:21       ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-16 23:39         ` Nick LaForge
2009-10-18  1:12         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-10-19 14:14           ` matt
2009-10-19 16:00           ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-14 19:09 Tim Newsham
2009-10-14 19:54 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-10-14 21:21   ` Tim Newsham
2009-10-14 21:33     ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)
2009-10-14 21:42       ` Noah Evans
2009-10-14 21:45         ` erik quanstrom
2009-10-14 21:57           ` Noah Evans
2009-10-14 22:10         ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-10-14 22:21           ` Noah Evans
2009-10-15  1:03     ` David Leimbach
2009-10-15  1:50     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-10-15  2:12       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-10-15 10:53       ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-15 11:50         ` Richard Miller
2009-10-15 12:00           ` W B Hacker
2009-10-16 17:03           ` Sam Watkins
2009-10-16 18:17             ` ron minnich
2009-10-16 18:39               ` Wes Kussmaul
2009-10-17 12:42             ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-10-15 11:56         ` Josh Wood
2009-10-15 13:11         ` hiro
2009-10-15 15:05           ` David Leimbach
2009-10-18  1:15         ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-10-18  3:15           ` Bakul Shah
     [not found]             ` <e763acc10910180606q1312ff7cw9a465d6af39c0fbe@mail.gmail.com>
2009-10-18 13:22               ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-10-18 19:18                 ` Bakul Shah
2009-10-18 20:12                   ` ron minnich
2009-10-14 21:36   ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-10-15  2:05     ` Roman Shaposhnik
2009-10-15  2:17       ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-10-15  3:32         ` Tim Newsham
2009-10-15  3:59           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-10-15 17:39             ` Tim Newsham
2009-10-15 18:28 ` Christopher Nielsen
2009-10-15 18:55   ` W B Hacker

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