From: Brantley Coile <brantley@coraid.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] ports from GPL
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 09:22:14 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <134e796bf13d888fc0742ee8da8c5ed3@coraid.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <454862c111d0f6eeb1b584a74ad6506a@quanstro.net>
Wouldn't at least gcc be from the MIT culture given its originator was
from the mit ai lab? Where's readline and info from originally?
Not to mention emacs.
Where did the --option syntax originate? Maybe they wanted to say /option
but that's not possible under Unix. Wouldn't the -o vs --very-long-option-name
count as a MH vs. MIT artifact?
These are real questions. I would like to know.
> oh ya. i think the gnu culture was seperate from the start.
> i started out by necessity. they needed to get their software
> to run on all kinds of unix varients, which were highly incompatable.
> and for a while it was pretty good stuff.
>
> (for example, the infamus mt xinu tools were suffering from bit
> rot when gnu tools started to become usable. for example,
> xinu grep had a really short line limit. gnu grep didn't (thanks mike.)
> the xinu shell was the original bourne shell, and would exit if you
> hit ^C at the wrong time and had signal-related memory
> issues because of its infamous memory management.)
>
> however gnu has devolved. they seem to value compiling on anything,
> and efficiency, but they don't seem to value simplicity. gcc is a good
> example of how getting as far out-of-balance as gnu seems to be
> can undermine one's primary goals.
>
> - erik
>
> On Fri Mar 17 05:35:36 CST 2006, brantley@coraid.com wrote:
>> > i think that open source code has a very different outlook
>> > on the world than plan 9. it's very hard (and frustrating) to
>> > deal with the culture clash when porting.
>>
>> That brings to mind something that I've been thinking about for a
>> couple of years. In watching the stuff in Linux and poking around the
>> simulators and old code, I can see at least three different cultures.
>> Murry Hill (Bell Labs), 545 Technology Sq (MIT), and Berkeley. These
>> cultures have belief systems that are mutually exclusive. And there
>> must be subcultures as well. The socket interface, for example, is
>> really MIT culture thru BBN to BSD.
>>
>> Anyone else see this? More cultures?
>>
>>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-03-17 14:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-03-17 14:11 erik quanstrom
2006-03-17 14:22 ` Brantley Coile [this message]
2006-03-17 15:40 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-03-18 0:39 ` geoff
2006-03-18 0:59 ` erik quanstrom
2006-03-18 1:16 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-03-18 1:18 ` George Michaelson
2006-03-19 14:43 ` David Leimbach
2006-03-20 2:18 ` erik quanstrom
2006-03-20 3:39 ` uriel
2006-03-20 11:50 ` erik quanstrom
2006-03-20 20:00 ` Aharon Robbins
2006-03-21 2:41 ` erik quanstrom
2006-03-20 19:50 ` Aharon Robbins
2006-03-20 19:59 ` George Michaelson
2006-03-21 23:43 ` Jack Johnson
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-03-21 1:56 erik quanstrom
2006-03-21 3:43 ` dmr
2006-03-18 19:01 erik quanstrom
2006-03-18 14:14 erik quanstrom
2006-03-18 18:47 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-18 14:03 erik quanstrom
2006-03-18 2:03 dmr
2006-03-18 6:12 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-18 6:24 ` Tim Wiess
2006-03-18 6:36 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-18 13:31 ` Brantley Coile
2006-03-18 13:30 ` Brantley Coile
2006-03-18 16:28 ` George Michaelson
2006-03-18 23:13 ` Brantley Coile
2006-03-19 1:03 ` geoff
2006-03-17 16:17 erik quanstrom
2006-03-17 15:25 erik quanstrom
2006-03-17 15:21 Mike Haertel
2006-03-17 15:12 erik quanstrom
2006-03-16 8:11 Fernan Bolando
2006-03-16 13:03 ` Anthony Sorace
2006-03-16 16:50 ` Jack Johnson
2006-03-17 1:05 ` erik quanstrom
2006-03-17 11:33 ` Brantley Coile
2006-03-17 12:03 ` Axel Belinfante
2006-03-17 15:39 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-03-20 3:44 ` Dave Eckhardt
2006-03-20 3:50 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-20 4:11 ` Russ Cox
2006-03-20 8:13 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-24 5:29 ` ems
2006-03-24 7:49 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-24 17:14 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-03-24 17:34 ` erik quanstrom
2006-03-24 18:11 ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-03-24 18:09 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-03-24 18:26 ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-03-26 9:14 ` ems
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