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This says a lot, rather nicely:

	http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html

Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same
story all over again.

(Or maybe the story never ended. Either way, the users are the ones who lost
out.)

Arnold



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From: Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net>
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Greetings comrades.

On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins <arnold@skeeve.com> wro=
te:
> This says a lot, rather nicely:
>=20
> 	http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html
>=20
> Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same
> story all over again.

The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?


Sincerely,

Christoph Lohmann




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Cel. Mustard
With the candlestick
In the Dining Room


Rodrigo Miranda

``The zen master hit me in the head.

I told him:

  "If you keep hitting me in the head,

     I won't be able to learn a thing!"

He hit me again.

  In

      the

             head.=B4=B4 (Rodrigo Miranda)


On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> wrote:

> Greetings comrades.
>
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins <arnold@skeeve.com>
> wrote:
> > This says a lot, rather nicely:
> >
> >       http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html
> >
> > Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same
> > story all over again.
>
> The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Christoph Lohmann
>
>
>

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Cel. Mustard<div>With the candlestick</div><div>In the Dining Room</div><di=
v><br></div><div><br clear=3D"all">Rodrigo Miranda<br><br>``The zen master =
hit me in the head.<br><br>I told him:<br><br>=A0 &quot;If you keep hitting=
 me in the head,<br>

<br>=A0 =A0=A0 I won&#39;t be able to learn a thing!&quot;<br><br>He hit me=
 again.<br><br>=A0 In <br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 the<br><br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0=A0 head.=B4=B4 (Rodrigo Miranda)<br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Christo=
ph Lohmann <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:20h@r-36.net" target=3D"=
_blank">20h@r-36.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">

Greetings comrades.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:arn=
old@skeeve.com">arnold@skeeve.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; This says a lot, rather nicely:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =A0 =A0 =A0 <a href=3D"http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.htm=
l" target=3D"_blank">http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html</a><b=
r>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it&#39;s the sa=
me<br>
&gt; story all over again.<br>
<br>
</div>The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?<br>
<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
Christoph Lohmann<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 09:49:41PM +0200, Aharon Robbins wrote:
> This says a lot, rather nicely:
>
> 	http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html
>

The guy whose entire career has been spent cloning DOS and Windows
software claims that Linux sucks because it's not enough like Windows?

huge surprise



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> The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?

poor special effects?

- erik



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erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:

> > The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?
>
> poor special effects?
>
> - erik

The Plan 9 desktop was never aimed at the consumer market, which is
what Miguel was bemoaning for Linux.  Plan 9 was never even aimed the
broader Unix / software developer market; it was designed mainly to
please the developers (which is fine, they did great things, but let's
be honest here).

The broader point is that the Unix / Linux / Open Source "communities"
seem to be plagued with a never-ending desire to reinvent the same wheels
over again instead of moving forward. This may be part of what Rob had
in mind in his 2000 paper about systems reearch being dead.

And it may just be part of the human condition.  :-(

Arnold



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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:05:08PM +0200, Christoph Lohmann wrote:
>
> The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?
>

Having forgotten that a market for a sensible solution is a niche
market. Only stupidity and lack of reflexion can replace the "what do
I need" with "i don't know what I need ; so what everybody has is
obviously what I do need", hence a mass market (the Panurge's sheeps).

--
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On 10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote:
> Greetings comrades.
>
> On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote:
>> This says a lot, rather nicely:
>>
>> 	http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html
>>
>> Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same
>> story all over again.
>
> The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?

1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit
2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools
3) Lack of a decent web0browser
4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client
5) Lack of an Office Applications suite
...
...
...
z) Last, but not the least, hate towards C++ and love for the Go

--
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On 2012-10-18 11:03 , Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
> On 10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote:
>> Greetings comrades.
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins <arnold@skeeve.com>
>> wrote:
>>> This says a lot, rather nicely:
>>>
>>>     http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html
>>>
>>> Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same
>>> story all over again.
>>
>> The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?
>
> 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit
> 2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools
> 3) Lack of a decent web0browser
> 4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client
> 5) Lack of an Office Applications suite
> ...
> ...
> ...
> z) Last, but not the least, hate towards C++ and love for the Go
>

But that's the list of benefits, isn't? :)

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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 2012-10-18 11:03 , Balwinder S
      Dheeman wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite=3D"mid:j3s4l9xupk.ln2@news.homelinux.net" type=3D"ci=
te">On
      10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote:
      <br>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">Greetings comrades.
        <br>
        <br>
        On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins
        <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:arnold@skeeve.c=
om">&lt;arnold@skeeve.com&gt;</a> wrote:
        <br>
        <blockquote type=3D"cite">This says a lot, rather nicely:
          <br>
          <br>
          =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=
=3D"http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html">http://tirania.org/=
blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html</a>
          <br>
          <br>
          Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's
          the same
          <br>
          story all over again.
          <br>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
        The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit
      <br>
      2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools
      <br>
      3) Lack of a decent web0browser
      <br>
      4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client
      <br>
      5) Lack of an Office Applications suite
      <br>
      ...
      <br>
      ...
      <br>
      ...
      <br>
      z) Last, but not the least, hate towards C++ and love for the Go
      <br>
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <font face=3D"Menlo">But that's the list of benefits, isn't? :)</font=
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that's what I thought. :)

On Oct 18, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Oleksandr Iakovliev <yshurik@lynxline.com> wrot=
e:

> On 2012-10-18 11:03 , Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
>> On 10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote:=20
>>> Greetings comrades.=20
>>>=20
>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins <arnold@skeeve.com> wr=
ote:=20
>>>> This says a lot, rather nicely:=20
>>>>=20
>>>>     http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same=20=

>>>> story all over again.=20
>>>=20
>>> The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?=20
>>=20
>> 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit=20
>> 2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools=20
>> 3) Lack of a decent web0browser=20
>> 4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client=20
>> 5) Lack of an Office Applications suite=20
>> ...=20
>> ...=20
>> ...=20
>> z) Last, but not the least, hate towards C++ and love for the Go=20
>>=20
>=20
> But that's the list of benefits, isn't? :)

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<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>that's what I thought. :)<br><br>On Oct 18, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Oleksandr Iakovliev &lt;<a href="mailto:yshurik@lynxline.com">yshurik@lynxline.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>


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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2012-10-18 11:03 , Balwinder S
      Dheeman wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:j3s4l9xupk.ln2@news.homelinux.net" type="cite">On
      10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote:
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">Greetings comrades.
        <br>
        <br>
        On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:arnold@skeeve.com">&lt;arnold@skeeve.com&gt;</a> wrote:
        <br>
        <blockquote type="cite">This says a lot, rather nicely:
          <br>
          <br>
          &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html">http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html</a>
          <br>
          <br>
          Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's
          the same
          <br>
          story all over again.
          <br>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
        The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
      1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit
      <br>
      2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools
      <br>
      3) Lack of a decent web0browser
      <br>
      4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client
      <br>
      5) Lack of an Office Applications suite
      <br>
      ...
      <br>
      ...
      <br>
      ...
      <br>
      z) Last, but not the least, hate towards C++ and love for the Go
      <br>
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <font face="Menlo">But that's the list of benefits, isn't? :)</font><br>



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On Oct 18, 2012, at 5:03 AM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:

> On 10/18/2012 01:35 AM, Christoph Lohmann wrote:
>> Greetings comrades.
>>=20
>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins <arnold@skeeve.com> =
wrote:
>>> This says a lot, rather nicely:
>>>=20
>>> 	http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html
>>>=20
>>> Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same
>>> story all over again.
>>=20
>> The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?
>=20
> 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit
> 2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools
> 3) Lack of a decent web0browser
> 4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client
> 5) Lack of an Office Applications suite
> ...
> ...
> ...
> z) Last, but not the least, hate towards C++ and love for the Go
>=20
> --=20
> Balwinder S "bdheeman" Dheeman
> (http://werc.homelinux.net/contact/)
>=20

Is this another one of those weird plan9 jokes?=



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>>        The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?
>>
>>      1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit
>>      2) Lack of Object Oriented GUI configuration tools
>>      3) Lack of a decent web0browser
>>      4) Lack of a decent communication/messaging client
>>      5) Lack of an Office Applications suite
>>      ...
>>      ...
>>      ...
>>      z) Last, but not the least, hate towards C++ and love for the Go
>
>    But that's the list of benefits, isn't? :)

Precisely.  The correlation between what makes something
good and what makes something popular is small but negative.
One of the primary reasons I stopped using Linux was that
it was becoming too mainstream and just like all the
commercial junk out there.

In general, I don't have any objection to reinventing the
wheel.  If no one ever did, we wouldn't have the pneumatic
tire.  But just fiddling about the edges and deciding what
color it should be is the worst of R&D sins.  It's BORING.

If you ever watch the TV shows that are competitions of
creative work, the most damning thing a judge can say is
that it's boring.  The same is true of software development
and engineering.  Besides, it it becomes unfun very quickly
if you can't start something new with a clean sheet of
paper at least every few months.

BLS




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> erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>
> > > The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop?
> >
> > poor special effects?
> >
> > - erik
>
> The Plan 9 desktop was never aimed at the consumer market, which is
[...]

that was supposed to be a switcheroo, not a comment on plan 9 graphics
or the importance of graphics.

sorry.

- erik



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Dne =C4=8Dtvrtek, 18. =C5=99=C3=ADjna 2012 14:23:03 UTC+2 Oleksandr Iakovli=
ev napsal(a):
>>       1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit
>>       ...
>     But that's the list of benefits, isn't? :)

I mostly agree except the browser.
I would appreciate a well working browser in the P9 too. ;)

Pavel



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>	http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html

If developmental stability was all it took to attract third party develop=
ers then why didn't FreeBSD "win the desktop" a decade ago? Or indeed Pla=
n 9 (I suppose this is reductio)?



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A "well working browser" is an OS these days. A bit of a dilemma that.  ;-)
On Oct 18, 2012 3:25 PM, "Pavel Klinkovsky" <pavel.klinkovsky@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dne =C4=8Dtvrtek, 18. =C5=99=C3=ADjna 2012 14:23:03 UTC+2 Oleksandr Iakov=
liev napsal(a):
> >>       1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit
> >>       ...
> >     But that's the list of benefits, isn't? :)
>
> I mostly agree except the browser.
> I would appreciate a well working browser in the P9 too. ;)
>
> Pavel
>
>

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quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pavel.klinkovsky@gmail.com">pavel.klinkovsky@gm=
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Dne =C4=8Dtvrtek, 18. =C5=99=C3=ADjna 2012 14:23:03 UTC+2 Oleksandr Iakovli=
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&gt;&gt; =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1) Lack of modern GUI and GUI development kit=
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&gt;&gt; =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ...<br>
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> A "well working browser" is an OS these days. A bit of a dilemma that.  ;-)

you overestimate how complicated an os needs to be.

- erik



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> Precisely.  The correlation between what makes something
> good and what makes something popular is small but negative.
> One of the primary reasons I stopped using Linux was that
> it was becoming too mainstream and just like all the
> commercial junk out there.

I too find Linux too mainstream: http://i.imgur.com/Wtm16.png


john



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> I too find Linux too mainstream: http://i.imgur.com/Wtm16.png

winner!



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>> A "well working browser" is an OS these days. A bit of a dilemma that.  ;-)
> you overestimate how complicated an os needs to be.
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> - erik
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Erudite Glenda in Winter?

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
>> Precisely.  The correlation between what makes something
>> good and what makes something popular is small but negative.
>> One of the primary reasons I stopped using Linux was that
>> it was becoming too mainstream and just like all the
>> commercial junk out there.
>
> I too find Linux too mainstream: http://i.imgur.com/Wtm16.png
>
>
> john
>



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On Oct 18, 2012 2:34 PM, "Skip Tavakkolian" <skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Erudite Glenda in Winter?
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:
> >> Precisely.  The correlation between what makes something
> >> good and what makes something popular is small but negative.
> >> One of the primary reasons I stopped using Linux was that
> >> it was becoming too mainstream and just like all the
> >> commercial junk out there.
> >
> > I too find Linux too mainstream: http://i.imgur.com/Wtm16.png
> >
> >
> > john
>

I used plan9 before it was cool

-- full time philosopher/part time starbucks barista

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<p><br>
On Oct 18, 2012 2:34 PM, &quot;Skip Tavakkolian&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com">skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Erudite Glenda in Winter?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:17 AM, John Floren &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jo=
hn@jfloren.net">john@jfloren.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Precisely. =A0The correlation between what makes something<br=
>
&gt; &gt;&gt; good and what makes something popular is small but negative.<=
br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; One of the primary reasons I stopped using Linux was that<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; it was becoming too mainstream and just like all the<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; commercial junk out there.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I too find Linux too mainstream: <a href=3D"http://i.imgur.com/Wt=
m16.png">http://i.imgur.com/Wtm16.png</a><br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; john<br>
&gt;</p>
<p>I used plan9 before it was cool</p>
<p>-- full time philosopher/part time starbucks barista<br>
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On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:17 PM, John Floren <john@jfloren.net> wrote:

> I too find Linux too mainstream: http://i.imgur.com/Wtm16.png
>

Bravo.

        - Dan C.

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On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 1:17 PM, John Floren <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:john@jfloren.net" target=3D"_blank">john@jfloren.net</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im">I too find Linux too mainstream: <a href=3D"http://i.imgu=
r.com/Wtm16.png" target=3D"_blank">http://i.imgur.com/Wtm16.png</a></div></=
blockquote><div><br></div><div>Bravo.</div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 - Dan C.</div>

<div><br></div><div><br></div></div>

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