From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <13fe0dc8b3e09c208c83d277b439089b@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: David Presotto To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: some #s In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-akhlountcvhidafriiklndolso" Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 20:25:13 -0400 Topicbox-Message-UUID: c5bbd994-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-akhlountcvhidafriiklndolso Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We don't zero pages till we're going to give them to another process. If you want to feel safe after doing something really secret, I'ld recommend power cycling at the least. Choate is completely right here. --upas-akhlountcvhidafriiklndolso Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Thu Jun 5 19:02:19 EDT 2003 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Thu Jun 5 19:02:16 EDT 2003 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 62AC119ADE; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 1381A19ADE for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 19:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/SuSE Linux 0.5) with ESMTP id h55N64L21560 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:06:05 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: some #s In-Reply-To: <200306052241.h55Mf9521982@augusta.math.psu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:06:04 -0500 (CDT) On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Dan Cross wrote: > Which, as I stated, is irrelevant since we're talking about Plan 9. Which has yet to go through a professional level vetting. About the best that can be said for it was what was published in "Maximum Security". > Which programmers are those? The OS programmers, or the application > programmers? My whole point was that what the application programmers > did was irrelevant. Really? Talk to some crypto programmers some time. I think they'd disagree with you a great deal on that one. The reality is that memory leakage via apps -is- a major concern for real world security issues. OS'es don't have the best record in that regard either. I'd suggest arXiv or SiteSeer as a start. You can also take a look at the NSA version of Linux. -- ____________________________________________________________________ We are all interested in the future for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives. Criswell, "Plan 9 from Outer Space" ravage@ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org www.ssz.com www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- --upas-akhlountcvhidafriiklndolso--