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(gdb@dbsystems.com@47.187.9.27) by 0 with ESMTPA; 31 Mar 2021 16:17:05 -0000 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail-BD373322-9DD9-4BF1-A9D0-0F12D43839E8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "G. David Butler" Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2021 11:17:05 -0500 Message-Id: <14B29621-C9A1-4404-8A44-B086DF4D518E@dbsystems.com> References: In-Reply-To: To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18D70) Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 8d930028-923c-11eb-8cfa-e25a688cca2c Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UZjIwYmNlODllZjk2ZDRiNi1NMGYzODI2ZGZhNDVlN2UzMzllMTk5?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmQxPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M0f3826dfa45e7e339e199fd1:1:-LWQ1T0oYhwpmIFJ4jep9BqnI3rAVqE94K14ORFXgw4 --Apple-Mail-BD373322-9DD9-4BF1-A9D0-0F12D43839E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The issue is ownership and grants. Not the code the foundation now owns and= grants with a MIT license. It=E2=80=99s all the code that everyone is usin= g. See the following email thread: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T755e5f03f61e4ad9-M2a5721b473ddb74b= 3c3d9503/9fans-is-the-vanilla-plan-9-still-alive David Sent from my phone. Please excuse misspellings and terseness. > On Mar 31, 2021, at 10:34 AM, ron minnich wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFThe LPL is dead. It died when all the Plan 9 IP was transferred = to the > foundation. >=20 > Nokia is out of the picture. >=20 > So let's realign this discussion a bit. The Plan 9 source formerly > owned by Nokia is owned by the foundation. That source is released > under the MIT license. >=20 > As for the inclusion of source not owned by the foundation, if that > source has a license (e.g. MIT) which allows other projects, including > the foundation's Plan 9 project, to include it in a distribution or > repo, then that is ok. As per common practice, and up to the > discretion of the author, the files typically include a license header > and copyright notice. >=20 > I'm not understanding the issue here. This is all pretty settled > stuff: source code under one copyright and an MIT license which > includes other source code covered by a different copyright and an MIT > license. >=20 > ron >=20 > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 4:10 AM Anonymous AWK fan via 9fans > <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: >>>> As I interpret it, we'd need Nokia to re-release Plan 9 under a Lucent >>>> Public License version 1.03 which would be the MIT license for >>>> contributions to be relicensed (if I'm interpreting it correctly the >>>> GPL release of Plan 9 couldn't apply to contributions either.) >>>=20 >>> I Am Not A Lawyer, and I don't doubt that the P9 foundation can >>> get good lawyers. But, once _ownership_ of the copyright was transferr= ed >>> to the P9F, they can do what they want with it, including publishing >>> under the MIT license. There should not be a need to involve Nokia >>> any further. >>=20 >> The problem is Nokia doesn't own the contributions, so they can't transf= er >> them to the P9F, but the LPL says they have the right to update the LPL, >> or was this right transferred to the P9F too? ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf20bce89ef96d4b6-M0f382= 6dfa45e7e339e199fd1 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --Apple-Mail-BD373322-9DD9-4BF1-A9D0-0F12D43839E8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The issue is ownersh= ip and grants. Not the code the foundation now owns and grants with a MIT l= icense. It’s all the code that everyone is using. See the following e= mail thread:

https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T755e5f03f61e4= ad9-M2a5721b473ddb74b3c3d9503/9fans-is-the-vanilla-plan-9-still-alive
David

Sent from my phone. Please excuse misspellings and terse= ness.


On Mar 31, 2021, at 10:34 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:

The LPL is dead. It died when all the Plan 9 IP was = transferred to the
foundation.
<= br />Nokia is out of the picture.

So let's realign this discussion a bit. The Plan 9 source formerly
owned by Nokia is owned by the foundation. That source is r= eleased
under the MIT license.
<= br />As for the inclusion of source not owned by the foundation, if t= hat
source has a license (e.g. MIT) which allows other pr= ojects, including
the foundation's Plan 9 project, &n= bsp;to include it in a distribution or
repo, then that is= ok. As per common practice, and up to the
discretion of = the author, the files typically include a license header
= and copyright notice.

I'm not unde= rstanding the issue here. This is all pretty settled
stuf= f: source code under one copyright and an MIT license which
includes other source code covered by a different copyright and an MIT
license.

ron
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 4:10 AM Anonymous AWK = fan via 9fans
<9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
=
As I interpret it, we'd need Nokia to re-release Plan 9 under = a Lucent
Public= License version 1.03 which would be the MIT license for
contributions to be relicensed (i= f I'm interpreting it correctly the
GPL release of Plan 9 couldn't apply to contri= butions either.)

I = Am Not A Lawyer, and I don't doubt that the P9 foundation can
get good lawyers.  But, once _ownership_ of the copyright = was transferred
to the P9F, they can do what they want= with it, including publishing
under the MIT license. =  There should not be a need to involve Nokia
=
any = further.

The problem i= s Nokia doesn't own the contributions, so they can't transfer
them to the P9F, but th= e LPL says they have the right to update the LPL,
=
or was this right transferred to the P9F to= o?

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