From: "andrey mirtchovski" <mirtchovski@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] quantity vs. quality
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 18:24:34 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <14ec7b180606091724m597168edu2c29dad8476bf969@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <59f06232334eddd74b8f1c78efe5621b@quanstro.net>
> i'm skeptical that this is a real-world problem. i've not run out of memory
> without hosing the system to the point where it needed to be rebooted.
the problem we face is that we can't isolate our programs on dedicated
hardware the way you isolate venti for example. if you ran a
standalone venti server and ran out of memory you could argue that the
crap has hit the fan irrevocably.
some of our code looks a lot like a meta-kernel: we provide the
capabilities for running other programs on many machines concurrently.
in more cases than anyone will admit, those programs misbehave badly
but we can't afford to throw the towel every time.
to illustrate from experience, just in the space of one month this
year, we ran out of memory, out of processes to run, out of time and
out of file descriptors in trivial cases. we simply must keep going or
at least sit quietly and wait for the storm to pass...
i'm sorry if i'm not explaining the situation too well.
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2006-06-07 17:58 [9fans] gcc on plan9 Corey
2006-06-07 18:24 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 18:50 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 18:55 ` William Josephson
2006-06-07 20:12 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:20 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 20:42 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:44 ` William Josephson
2006-06-07 21:00 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 19:05 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 20:13 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:48 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 21:04 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08 6:42 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-08 7:00 ` Iruatã Souza (muzgo)
2006-06-07 19:48 ` Corey
2006-06-07 20:16 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:26 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 20:43 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08 5:49 ` lucio
2006-06-07 18:57 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-07 19:55 ` Corey
2006-06-07 20:46 ` rog
2006-06-07 21:07 ` Corey
2006-06-07 21:16 ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-06-07 21:25 ` Rodolfo (kix)
2006-06-07 21:50 ` Corey
2006-06-07 21:54 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-07 21:56 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 22:06 ` Lluís Batlle i Rossell
2006-06-07 22:16 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-07 22:31 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-07 22:33 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08 9:44 ` Victor Nazarov
2006-06-09 21:13 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-08 1:28 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 13:12 ` Lluís Batlle
2006-06-09 13:21 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 13:47 ` Lluís Batlle
2006-06-07 23:04 ` geoff
2006-06-07 23:10 ` Steve Simon
2006-06-08 0:22 ` Bakul Shah
2006-06-08 0:27 ` geoff
2006-06-08 3:31 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08 15:04 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-08 15:20 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 23:15 ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-08 0:17 ` geoff
2006-06-09 21:15 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:26 ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-09 21:27 ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-09 21:34 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:38 ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-09 21:44 ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-10 6:57 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"
2006-06-08 1:58 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-08 0:53 ` geoff
2006-06-08 1:07 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-08 1:15 ` quanstro
2006-06-08 15:02 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09 4:04 ` quanstro
2006-06-08 1:22 ` geoff
2006-06-08 1:25 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-09 21:21 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:27 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-08 14:59 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09 4:05 ` quanstro
2006-06-08 1:39 ` [9fans] quantity vs. quality Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-06-08 3:05 ` Dan Cross
2006-06-08 3:44 ` Joel Salomon
2006-06-08 7:03 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-09 22:03 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 22:44 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09 22:46 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 22:51 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-09 22:55 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 23:19 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-09 23:29 ` quanstro
2006-06-10 1:57 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-09 23:51 ` quanstro
2006-06-10 0:10 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-10 2:31 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10 0:45 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-10 3:01 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10 0:52 ` quanstro
2006-06-10 1:04 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-10 23:13 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11 0:44 ` quanstro
2006-06-11 5:08 ` lucio
2006-06-11 10:09 ` quanstro
2006-06-11 12:00 ` lucio
2006-06-11 22:59 ` quanstro
2006-06-11 23:26 ` geoff
2006-06-12 3:45 ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-12 20:16 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-12 20:23 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-12 20:56 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-12 21:09 ` Victor Nazarov
2006-06-13 0:05 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-12 21:15 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-13 12:08 ` rog
2006-06-13 16:34 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-06-13 21:35 ` "Nils O. Selåsdal"
2006-06-14 22:09 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-15 15:46 ` Victor Nazarov
2006-06-11 5:42 ` Russ Cox
2006-06-11 10:08 ` quanstro
2006-06-12 1:03 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-10 23:05 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11 0:00 ` quanstro
2006-06-10 0:24 ` andrey mirtchovski [this message]
2006-06-10 0:36 ` quanstro
2006-06-10 2:27 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10 0:23 ` quanstro
2006-06-10 0:41 ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-10 0:59 ` quanstro
2006-06-10 1:15 ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-10 5:19 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-06-10 2:51 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10 0:45 ` quanstro
2006-06-10 3:10 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-10 0:53 ` quanstro
2006-06-10 23:06 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-10 23:15 ` geoff
2006-06-11 2:58 ` jmk
2006-06-10 23:04 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11 0:05 ` quanstro
2006-06-10 23:03 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-09 23:25 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-09 23:38 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09 23:45 ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-09 23:46 ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-10 23:03 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-10 23:02 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11 0:12 ` quanstro
2006-06-11 2:20 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11 22:31 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-10 0:28 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:29 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:34 ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-08 1:49 ` [9fans] gcc on plan9 Ignacio Torres Masdeu
2006-06-08 14:10 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09 4:09 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 5:25 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-07 22:39 ` Corey
2006-06-07 22:49 ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-07 23:17 ` Corey
2006-06-07 23:37 ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-08 0:50 ` quanstro
2006-06-08 1:16 ` John Barham
2006-06-08 14:51 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-09 4:49 ` ems
2006-06-09 12:07 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 19:17 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 21:27 ` Bakul Shah
2006-06-09 21:33 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-09 21:39 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 21:56 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-09 22:01 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 22:17 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-09 22:35 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 22:22 ` Bakul Shah
2006-06-09 22:30 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 23:22 ` Bakul Shah
2006-06-10 13:51 ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-06-10 23:21 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-11 0:07 ` LiteStar numnums
2006-06-10 0:00 ` Harri Haataja
2006-06-10 0:03 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-06-10 1:00 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-10 4:37 ` Iruatã Souza (muzgo)
2006-06-12 0:35 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-09 21:43 ` quanstro
2006-06-10 12:43 ` rog
2006-06-07 22:56 ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-06-07 23:08 ` Dan Cross
2006-06-07 23:32 ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-06-07 23:48 ` Dan Cross
2006-06-08 0:32 ` Corey
2006-06-08 1:04 ` jmk
2006-06-08 3:35 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08 3:51 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08 4:07 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-08 5:19 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08 6:07 ` Federico G. Benavento
2006-06-08 17:45 ` Micah Stetson
2006-06-08 18:54 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08 18:55 ` Iruatã Souza (muzgo)
2006-06-08 18:56 ` andrey mirtchovski
2006-06-08 19:01 ` Iruatã Souza (muzgo)
2006-06-09 19:56 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-09 22:19 ` quanstro
2006-06-09 23:19 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08 4:11 ` Paul Lalonde
2006-06-08 5:25 ` ems
2006-06-08 5:43 ` Simon Williams
2006-06-08 6:09 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-07-16 15:17 ` ASCII Glenda (was Re: [9fans] gcc on plan9) csant
2006-07-16 22:17 ` e.c.sharpe
2006-07-16 22:37 ` Jack Johnson
2006-07-17 8:35 ` Rodolfo (kix)
2006-06-08 1:06 ` [9fans] gcc on plan9 geoff
2006-06-08 1:21 ` quanstro
2006-06-08 10:15 ` Victor Nazarov
2006-06-08 9:40 ` Lluís Batlle
2006-06-08 15:55 ` Corey
2006-06-08 22:48 ` Fred Wade
2006-06-08 23:08 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-08 23:51 ` Corey
2006-06-07 20:46 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-07 19:07 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 19:17 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-07 19:26 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 19:35 ` Brantley Coile
2006-06-07 20:15 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 20:32 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 19:47 ` Latchesar Ionkov
2006-06-07 20:00 ` Corey
2006-06-07 20:13 ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-06-07 20:40 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-08 6:49 ` Roman Shaposhnik
2006-06-07 21:21 ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-06-07 21:49 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-06-07 22:50 ` Dan Cross
2006-06-08 7:30 [9fans] quantity vs. quality cej
2006-06-08 9:32 ` Lluís Batlle
2006-06-08 15:29 ` David Leimbach
2006-06-08 15:43 ` jmk
2006-06-09 6:01 cej
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