speaking of fonts, i took the time today to convert a few of the freely downloadable microsoft fonts (they come with some XML tool package that is freely available on the net, i can dig it out if you really want to know the source). ttf2subf does have its issues and they do crop up more and more often nowadays -- constantia cuts off characters at the bottom for example, also i'm not really sure the size calculations are correct (-s 14 definitely doesn't match default font's size 14) but there are a couple of fonts that seem usable: consolas and calibri. i want pretty fonts in acme, but i'm not sure ttf2subf will get us there without major work (and a new port of the freetype libraries). andrey