* [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? @ 2021-03-28 8:13 saif.resun 2021-03-28 9:09 ` Richard Miller 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: saif.resun @ 2021-03-28 8:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 398 bytes --] hello there! I want to use Plan9 compiler (8c) on my windows 10 system. How can I compile the source code of 8c for windows 10 in plan9 system? can someone help me? ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-Mdc841574a027dc1e4c623532 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 941 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-28 8:13 [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? saif.resun @ 2021-03-28 9:09 ` Richard Miller 2021-03-28 9:21 ` Sean Hinchee 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Richard Miller @ 2021-03-28 9:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > I want to use Plan9 compiler (8c) on my windows 10 system. Not possible except by running Plan 9 on a virtual machine. You can, however, use the inferno version of 8c on some windows platforms. I don't know if windows 10 is one of them. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M0d065fc59956858d02508fb0 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-28 9:09 ` Richard Miller @ 2021-03-28 9:21 ` Sean Hinchee 2021-03-28 13:16 ` saif.resun 2021-03-29 4:57 ` Ethan Gardener 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Sean Hinchee @ 2021-03-28 9:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 624 bytes --] Inferno 8c should work fine on Win10 :) Cheers, Sean On Sunday, March 28, 2021, Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > I want to use Plan9 compiler (8c) on my windows 10 system. > > Not possible except by running Plan 9 on a virtual machine. > > You can, however, use the inferno version of 8c on some windows platforms. > I don't know if windows 10 is one of them. > ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M413add6a828f602ff1001916 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1777 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-28 9:21 ` Sean Hinchee @ 2021-03-28 13:16 ` saif.resun 2021-03-28 15:08 ` ron minnich ` (2 more replies) 2021-03-29 4:57 ` Ethan Gardener 1 sibling, 3 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: saif.resun @ 2021-03-28 13:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 263 bytes --] uh inferno's 8c compiles .exe file? ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M3f3b47b1f09745ffc88175bf Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 750 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-28 13:16 ` saif.resun @ 2021-03-28 15:08 ` ron minnich 2021-03-29 6:42 ` arnold 2021-03-28 15:16 ` Paul Lalonde 2021-03-29 4:51 ` Ethan Gardener 2 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: ron minnich @ 2021-03-28 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 928 bytes --] Nxm built kencen toolchain on Linux. https://github.com/rminnich/NxM We could build all of plan9 on Linux. You might be able to start there and produce .Exe's. Not tested for quite some time now. Derived from nix. On Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 6:17 AM <saif.resun@outlook.com> wrote: > uh inferno's 8c compiles .exe file? > *9fans <https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest>* / 9fans / see discussions > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> + participants > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/members> + delivery options > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription> Permalink > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M3f3b47b1f09745ffc88175bf> > ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M358adda89b2451539ae22e17 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1523 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-28 15:08 ` ron minnich @ 2021-03-29 6:42 ` arnold 2021-03-29 14:04 ` Russ Cox 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: arnold @ 2021-03-29 6:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Is there a usable, standalone, 32- or 64-bit version of kenc that works on Linux? By "usable" I mean "able to compile and run regular Linux code". For example, oh, say, compiling and testing GNU Awk. :-) (Besides GCC and clang, I test gawk with tinycc and the revived PCC compilers. I have often wanted to add kenc into the mix, but haven't found a usable, standalone version thereof.) Thanks, Arnold ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote: > Nxm built kencen toolchain on Linux. > > https://github.com/rminnich/NxM > > We could build all of plan9 on Linux. You might be able to start there and > produce .Exe's. > > Not tested for quite some time now. Derived from nix. > > > > On Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 6:17 AM <saif.resun@outlook.com> wrote: > > > uh inferno's 8c compiles .exe file? > > *9fans <https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest>* / 9fans / see discussions > > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> + participants > > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/members> + delivery options > > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription> Permalink > > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M3f3b47b1f09745ffc88175bf> > > ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M736b5a79b2e3c21b143022da Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-29 6:42 ` arnold @ 2021-03-29 14:04 ` Russ Cox 2021-03-29 14:14 ` arnold 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2021-03-29 14:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 551 bytes --] Hi Arnold, The hard part is not so much the compiling but the linking against system libraries. Honestly once you have both gcc and clang happy (with no warnings), I doubt very much that using the Plan 9 C compilers will bring much additional benefit for finding bugs (except bugs in the compiler!). Best, Russ ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M375a8e64df036ead7f3da21d Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3333 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-29 14:04 ` Russ Cox @ 2021-03-29 14:14 ` arnold 2021-03-29 15:08 ` Charles Forsyth 2021-03-29 15:15 ` ori 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: arnold @ 2021-03-29 14:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Hi Russ. Thanks for this. You are probably right, but it's always good to test against as many compilers as possible. Out of curiousity, why is linking against the system libraries so hard? I assume a port of kenc to Linux would have a driver program that would just invoke the system ld(1). I'd think that getting the ABI and generation of ELF (or of standard Linux assembly language) correct would be the hard part. What am I missing? Thanks, Arnold Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote: > Hi Arnold, > > The hard part is not so much the compiling but the linking against > system libraries. Honestly once you have both gcc and clang happy (with > no warnings), I doubt very much that using the Plan 9 C compilers will > bring much additional benefit for finding bugs (except bugs in the > compiler!). > > Best, > Russ ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M317489e2b055f003ccfb0dca Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-29 14:14 ` arnold @ 2021-03-29 15:08 ` Charles Forsyth 2021-03-29 17:18 ` arnold 2021-03-29 15:15 ` ori 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2021-03-29 15:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1890 bytes --] > > I doubt very much that using the Plan 9 C compilers will bring much > additional benefit for finding bugs (except bugs in the compiler!). The cross-file type-checking does sometimes pick up unpleasantness caused by type mismatches. It was originally added to allow dynamically-loaded object modules to be checked against the loading specification. It has found a few problems elsewhere, including one in Python where one .c file included a .h with a certain #define in scope that another .c file didn't define by accident, causing the two .c files to have completely different memory layouts for a structure. > Out of curiousity, why is linking against the system libraries so > hard? I assume a port of kenc to Linux would have a driver program > that would just invoke the system ld(1). I'd think that getting > the ABI and generation of ELF (or of standard Linux assembly language) > correct would be the hard part. > What am I missing? It works very differently from what you expect http://9p.io/sys/doc/compiler.html <http://9p.io/sys/doc/compiler.html>: The compiler is a single program that produces an object file. Combined in the compiler are the traditional roles of preprocessor, lexical analyzer, parser, code generator, local optimizer, and first half of the assembler. The object files are binary forms of assembly language, similar to what might be passed between the first and second passes of an assembler. Object files and libraries are combined by a loader program to produce the executable binary. The loader combines the roles of second half of the assembler, global optimizer, and loader. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-Mae8386c3c15f3973027b8de6 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3501 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-29 15:08 ` Charles Forsyth @ 2021-03-29 17:18 ` arnold 2021-03-29 17:45 ` Russ Cox 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: arnold @ 2021-03-29 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans OK - wasn't kenc ported to Linux for bootstrapping the early Go compilers? Is that version general, or not worth my trying to use? Thanks, Arnold Charles Forsyth <charles.forsyth@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I doubt very much that using the Plan 9 C compilers will bring much > > additional benefit for finding bugs (except bugs in the compiler!). > > > The cross-file type-checking does sometimes pick up unpleasantness caused > by type mismatches. > It was originally added to allow dynamically-loaded object modules to be > checked against the loading specification. > It has found a few problems elsewhere, including one in Python where one .c > file included a .h with a certain #define > in scope that another .c file didn't define by accident, causing the two .c > files to have completely different memory layouts > for a structure. > > > > Out of curiousity, why is linking against the system libraries so > > hard? I assume a port of kenc to Linux would have a driver program > > that would just invoke the system ld(1). I'd think that getting > > the ABI and generation of ELF (or of standard Linux assembly language) > > correct would be the hard part. > > What am I missing? > > > It works very differently from what you expect > http://9p.io/sys/doc/compiler.html <http://9p.io/sys/doc/compiler.html>: > > The compiler is a single program that produces an object file. Combined in > the compiler are the traditional roles of preprocessor, lexical analyzer, > parser, code generator, local optimizer, and first half of the assembler. > The object files are binary forms of assembly language, similar to what > might be passed between the first and second passes of an assembler. > > Object files and libraries are combined by a loader program to produce the > executable binary. The loader combines the roles of second half of the > assembler, global optimizer, and loader. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M6a254c61dea5a9cdc6797bc2 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-29 17:18 ` arnold @ 2021-03-29 17:45 ` Russ Cox 2021-03-29 17:55 ` arnold 2021-03-29 17:58 ` John Floren 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Russ Cox @ 2021-03-29 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1027 bytes --] On March 29, 2021, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > OK - wasn't kenc ported to Linux for bootstrapping the early > Go compilers? Is that version general, or not worth my trying to use? The early Go compilers, written in C, were compiled with gcc or clang. The Plan 9 C compiler was used for the Go runtime's initial C implementation, but in that context it was only dealing with the self-contained demands of Go itself, not arbitrary C code (no standard C library,��much of which gawk would need). Even in that limited context, we spent a frustrating (non-zero) amount of time stumbling over bugs. Standard C has moved on, and the Plan 9 C compilers have not kept up. They're still fine for Plan 9 C code, but given the choice I wouldn't throw anything else at them. Best, Russ ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M38095e7b51661883f977006a Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 3889 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-29 17:45 ` Russ Cox @ 2021-03-29 17:55 ` arnold 2021-03-29 17:58 ` John Floren 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: arnold @ 2021-03-29 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote: > Standard C has moved on, and the Plan 9 C compilers have not kept up. > They're still fine for Plan 9 C code, but given the choice > I wouldn't throw anything else at them. That's pretty definitive. Thanks. Arnold ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-Md4a535788cff08faf580ac1c Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-29 17:45 ` Russ Cox 2021-03-29 17:55 ` arnold @ 2021-03-29 17:58 ` John Floren 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: John Floren @ 2021-03-29 17:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 10:47 AM Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote: > > On March 29, 2021, arnold@skeeve.com wrote: > > OK - wasn't kenc ported to Linux for bootstrapping the early > Go compilers? Is that version general, or not worth my trying to use? > > > The early Go compilers, written in C, were compiled with gcc or clang. > > The Plan 9 C compiler was used for the Go runtime's initial > C implementation, but in that context it was only dealing > with the self-contained demands of Go itself, not arbitrary C code > (no standard C library, much of which gawk would need). > > Even in that limited context, we spent a frustrating (non-zero) > amount of time stumbling over bugs. > Standard C has moved on, and the Plan 9 C compilers have not kept up. > They're still fine for Plan 9 C code, but given the choice > I wouldn't throw anything else at them. > > Best, > Russ > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink Years back I spent some time getting the 9k kernel compiling with Go's C compilers. It's been a long time so I don't remember everything I had to do, but it wasn't a straight-across change and we ended up deciding that since the Go compilers were being maintained specifically to compile Go, it wouldn't be a good idea to hitch our wagon to them lest they make some Go-focused changes which break our stuff. john ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-Ma6467d9eedaa83ac761e35da Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-29 14:14 ` arnold 2021-03-29 15:08 ` Charles Forsyth @ 2021-03-29 15:15 ` ori 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: ori @ 2021-03-29 15:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Quoth arnold@skeeve.com: > Hi Russ. > > Thanks for this. You are probably right, but it's always good to > test against as many compilers as possible. > > Out of curiousity, why is linking against the system libraries so > hard? I assume a port of kenc to Linux would have a driver program > that would just invoke the system ld(1). I'd think that getting > the ABI and generation of ELF (or of standard Linux assembly language) > correct would be the hard part. > > What am I missing? > Kencc cooperates with the plan 9 linkers. It produces neither textual assembly nor elf relocatable objects, but a machine-dependent "assembly bytecode". ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M21ed3138349a3986cdd3198b Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-28 13:16 ` saif.resun 2021-03-28 15:08 ` ron minnich @ 2021-03-28 15:16 ` Paul Lalonde 2021-03-29 4:51 ` Ethan Gardener 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Paul Lalonde @ 2021-03-28 15:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1093 bytes --] You're now asking a question of ABI (application binary interface) more than of the compiler. The ABI is the hard part - what the calling conventions are, linkage and executable formats, etc, which vary significantly from system to system. You may find a way to compile the compiler so it runs in Windows, but it will keep making (to a first approximation) binaries for Plan 9. Paul On Sun, Mar 28, 2021, 6:16 AM <saif.resun@outlook.com> wrote: > uh inferno's 8c compiles .exe file? > *9fans <https://9fans.topicbox.com/latest>* / 9fans / see discussions > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans> + participants > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/members> + delivery options > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription> Permalink > <https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M3f3b47b1f09745ffc88175bf> > ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M282840a91d42fc4c34ab4a27 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1532 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-28 13:16 ` saif.resun 2021-03-28 15:08 ` ron minnich 2021-03-28 15:16 ` Paul Lalonde @ 2021-03-29 4:51 ` Ethan Gardener 2 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Ethan Gardener @ 2021-03-29 4:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 763 bytes --] On Sun, Mar 28, 2021, at 2:16 PM, saif.resun@outlook.com <mailto:saif.resun%40outlook.com> wrote: > uh inferno's 8c compiles .exe file? no, 8c doesn't produce any executables, it leaves that to the linker, 8l. by default, 8l produces plan 9 executables, but the -H option can produce some other formats. the man page doesn't list windows exe but you could look in the source. look for "Nt"; inferno's name for windows, and "PE"; the executable format for modern ms windows, or "MZ" in case it still uses the old windows exe format. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M1a23c459136d67944464c162 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1588 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Can compile Plan9 C compiler for windows10? 2021-03-28 9:21 ` Sean Hinchee 2021-03-28 13:16 ` saif.resun @ 2021-03-29 4:57 ` Ethan Gardener 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Ethan Gardener @ 2021-03-29 4:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 476 bytes --] On Sun, Mar 28, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Sean Hinchee wrote: > Inferno 8c should work fine on Win10 :) it runs and produces output. :) i didn't check if the output works; wasn't even sure how to produce a testable binary as it couldn't even find u.h. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4d77cc95ab4ed70c-M364dfe22063fe61103dc1af6 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1223 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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