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(Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) To: 9fans@9fans.net References: <17155791150.6Fb8eECc8.4993@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> Content-Language: en-US From: Jacob Moody In-Reply-To: <17155791150.6Fb8eECc8.4993@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 12bb0468-10f1-11ef-b721-220e008c7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UY2YxMjhmYTk1NWI4YWFmYy1NNmY4ZGUwZTNkYTNlMjdmZjMzOTFh?= =?UTF-8?B?MmFkPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M6f8de0e3da3e27ff3391a2ad:1:f8L0rHd9zbibH33TYFZcZgckO_0isc5zV-tWS8niji8 On 5/13/24 00:45, ibrahim via 9fans wrote: > libttf was one example and because it made its way into 9legacy i inspect= ed it. >=20 >> Are you implying that a majority of users are using Plan9 in a commercia= l setting? That seems a bit absurd. >> For personal use I think these license issues (if they do even exist) ar= e of no concern. I think you are greatly >> exaggerating the possible issue here for your average user. > =C2=A0 > I could tell you about more than two dozens of projects alone at german u= niversities where plan9 was used in medical sensor devices. Calling somethi= ng absurd which lies beyond your experience gives reason enough to not name= any of those projects. You didn't read closely enough. I was calling your assumption that our new = user was going to attempt to sell Plan 9 commercially absurd. I didn't say anything about there not being any commercial appliances, just= that your scenario is not common for the people here. >> Again, I think in your situation of distributing hardware with plan 9 or= whatever, then it makes sense to do whatever your lawyer says. >> I think advising against using 9front for every user on these grounds th= ough is misleading at best. >=20 > Its not the lawyer who is responsible to avoid copyright issues its the d= uty of the developer. Not the lawyer gets sued but the one who distributes = the system. A lawyer really should be the one who is legally interpreting the obligatio= ns of any licensing. >=20 > Everyone is free to use 9front. But I won't use 9front for a distributed = system because I don't have the legal certainty as with plan9. I know who d= eveloped plan9 and I know that Nokia owned it before they relicensed it. Bu= t I don't this trust in 9front code. And so I wouldn't advise others who ma= ke use of plan9 in ways like I do to use 9front. >=20 >> Do you also remove the Lucida and printer fonts? These were released as = part of the original source but have interesting claims as to the ability t= o redistribute them. >> Do you also strip out the parts of ape that include ancient GNU utilitie= s? Are you running your system without a diff and patch? >=20 > Of course I removed all fonts from the system. I have my own font library= with scaleable vector fonts based on caligraphy. As I stated before I remo= ved any GNU utilities ghostview postscript page and all tools which have cl= early GPL licenses are removed. Patch and diff are replaced with BSD licens= ed versions taken from OpenBSD. >=20 > Those are the rules. >=20 >> And Java runs on a billion devices. >=20 > And I can't distribute Java, Linux, commercial operating systems because = those can't be distributed as you please their licenses don't allow distrib= ution as the MIT license does. You missed the joke. I was making fun of your bragging because you implicat= ed more installs equated to higher quality. >> I'm quite curious as to your definition of "professional" in one where n= one of the work done by 9front would be seen as beneficial. >=20 > I can assure you I respect your fork and the state you reached. Professio= nal use as a distributed operating system needs legal certainty. If you inc= lude code from sources and I use your fork than I am the one who is doomed = not you because you are no legal entity. I have to make sure that my distri= butions has no legal issues. 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