Hello everyone,

I'm really looking forward to getti= ng to grips with Plan 9 in depth, but would have a question in advance.<= br />

Since I want to use Plan = 9 on an amd64 system, my understanding is that I am left with two options: = Plan 9 legacy and 9front. I want to use Plan 9 on bare metal, so Plan9= port would only be a stopgap.

To be able to decide on an option, I would like to understand the d= ifferences. Do the two systems differ in their stated goals, or is 9fr= ont's development merely historical (e.g. for licensing reasons)?

Many thanks in advance!&nbs= p;

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Neither is (compared to say the variety of *nix distros) departing greatly = from the source. Many of 9legacy=E2=80=99s patches are derived from 9front = fixes and improvements. There are two opinions of how these tactics are distinct: 1) 9legacy is current v4 Plan 9; 9front is the experimental test bed 2) 9legacy is maintaining the *historical* Plan 9, merely keeping the light= s on in the museum; 9front is a living OS for people interested in practica= l use of the OS. In the end, there is a bit of a dialectic here where *both* are true in a s= ense and neither are true in a sense.=20 But this may allow you to figure out where to start. If you are interested in understanding Plan 9 from a historical, software e= ngineering perspective, 9legacy is the closest you get to what was installe= d and developed at Bell and Lucent. If you are interested in incorporating the most modern iteration of a Plan = 9 system with best hardware support for using within your own workflow, go = with 9front. As an active user and community member of 9front, most of the = people on the 9front side *use* 9front daily and have it incorporated in th= eir personal or professional software development workflow, and I would arg= ue there is a more active user/developer community. That is not to say there aren=E2=80=99t developers actively using 9legacy (= or p9p) for their work, nor that people only use one or the other exclusive= ly, but it can give you a sense of orientation. Both are now licensed freely and independently of Lucent, thanks P9F. I hope this helps! -pixelheresy > On 27. 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