From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 24993 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2022 21:32:23 -0000 Received: from tb-ob1.topicbox.com (64.147.108.173) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Jan 2022 21:32:23 -0000 Received: from tb-mx0.topicbox.com (tb-mx0.nyi.icgroup.com [10.90.30.73]) by tb-ob1.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0233285C for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2022 16:32:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bounce.mM586a4373747116cfeee6fdbb.r522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa@9fans.bounce.topicbox.com) Received: by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Postfix, from userid 1132) id 2C44F14687D2; Sat, 29 Jan 2022 16:32:23 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=9fans.net; h=to:subject :message-id:references:in-reply-to:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from:list-help:list-id :list-post:list-subscribe:reply-to:list-unsubscribe; s=dkim-1; bh=XHr2imN/rD/8gTP/Y7Q8degRQ6/LEFYeMJ2HDU2q+uU=; b=YuxOBuQCztfi +4xCfH1qzafCPAOeYQNY9ESF8xrIywLXP4qFUA+1JBj73c7XO/8h9ekI7zccx9oq 3TS1BnSmiLLwTUz9b91Au2AKeq3KJmxkrmV9U877n6g7nWt3ZESO9Lw/Hb4xixoq KCF7MhxUHs/Y0igSPYUIqDcY523ssII= To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] licence question Message-Id: <16434919380.1068C1061.56471@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> References: <16433324650.ff90B.935638@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <16433713090.e62E5Cc03.507002@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <16434613850.BC38c.59069@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <16434652910.557dFF03.267022@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 16:32:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=16434919381.bF0ef38Dd.56471 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: ef593946-814a-11ec-8912-8a559134e1fa Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UM2UwN2JmZGYyNjNhODNjOC1NNTg2YTQzNzM3NDcxMTZjZmVlZTZm?= =?UTF-8?B?ZGJiPg==?= From: "ibrahim via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M586a4373747116cfeee6fdbb:1:dMvzplNxeHQXWnJQhaGv_i0ukaA_7_2LOwNW8c6n-CU --16434919381.bF0ef38Dd.56471 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 16:32:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 9:44 PM, hiro wrote: > if the odd one out of the students learns plan9 you think that's not worth their while? then why do you use plan9 yourself? i would have loved to have a teacher in uni that uses plan9. I don't can't and won't hide the fact that my virtual machine image is base= d upon plan9, 9front. It's based upon so every student will find references= links to associated projects. Therefore I asked for your prefered form of = acknowledgement. On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 9:44 PM, hiro wrote: > what makes you think everything will work and your students are happy with the system? In the last decade students using the freebsd version very happy with it an= d I hope students from the wintersemester will also be happy. This platform= is meant to support them learning their examination stuff and the feedback= is not bad. There will always be roam for improvements, there will always = be bugs. All I can do is do my best.=20 On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 9:48 PM, hiro wrote: > yes, it's very dangerous in terms of licensing. i suggest you rewrite ghostscript as gs/pdf reading ability is very important for most users (even for our own docs). I don't need this cause I am representing drawing data as svg or in a forma= t similar to emf (enhanced metafile). Images are represented till now in zi= pped ppm format. Fonts are represented in ttf. And I support the dvi format= produced by tex and metafont. pdf and ps make the use of fonts necessary w= hich have licensing issues.=20 On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 9:48 PM, hiro wrote: > looking forward to your code submissions. I am at it. As you remember from the other thread there is no agreement abo= ut adding framebuffer support to plan9. This will show a simple application= which doesn't use devdraw, memdraw, memlayer and can't coexist with them. = If their are no agreements about how and where to support a framebuffer int= erface its not worth the effort to implement it in a compatible way. This p= roof of concept version will only give a taste about what would be possible= . (Expect some kind of animation without text rendering - which is not diff= icult but needs a clear interface definition). Of course I would prefer to = share those parts with the main distros/forks of plan9 the more they are us= ed the better they get and the more possible bugs will be discovered.=20 But if you expect a desktop alternative to rio with a theming window manage= r than an agreement is necessary to not waste time for things never meant t= o be part of plan9. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3e07bfdf263a83c8-M586a4= 373747116cfeee6fdbb Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --16434919381.bF0ef38Dd.56471 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 16:32:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 9:44 PM, hiro= wrote:
if the odd one out of the stud= ents learns plan9 you think that's not worth their while? then why do you use plan9 yourself? i would have loved to have a teacher in uni that uses plan9.

I don't can't and won't hide the fact that my virt= ual machine image is based upon plan9, 9front. It's based upon so every= student will find references links to associated projects. Therefore I ask= ed for your prefered form of acknowledgement.

<= div>On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 9:44 PM, hiro wrote:
what makes you think everything will work and your stud= ents are happy with the system?

In the last decade= students using the freebsd version very happy with it and I hope students = from the wintersemester will also be happy. This platform is meant to suppo= rt them learning their examination stuff and the feedback is not bad. There= will always be roam for improvements, there will always be bugs. All I can= do is do my best.

On Saturday, 29 Januar= y 2022, at 9:48 PM, hiro wrote:
yes, i= t's very dangerous in terms of licensing. i suggest you rewrite ghostscript as gs/pdf reading ability is very important for most users (even for our own docs).

I don'= t need this cause I am representing drawing data as svg or in a format simi= lar to emf (enhanced metafile). Images are represented till now in zipped p= pm format. Fonts are represented in ttf. And I support the dvi format produ= ced by tex and metafont. pdf and ps make the use of fonts necessary which h= ave licensing issues.

On Saturday, 29 Jan= uary 2022, at 9:48 PM, hiro wrote:
loo= king forward to your code submissions.
I am at it. A= s you remember from the other thread there is no agreement about adding fra= mebuffer support to plan9. This will show a simple application which doesn&= #39;t use devdraw, memdraw, memlayer and can't coexist with them. If th= eir are no agreements about how and where to support a framebuffer interfac= e its not worth the effort to implement it in a compatible way. This proof = of concept version will only give a taste about what would be possible. (Ex= pect some kind of animation without text rendering - which is not difficult= but needs a clear interface definition). Of course I would prefer to share= those parts with the main distros/forks of plan9 the more they are used th= e better they get and the more possible bugs will be discovered.

But if you expect a desktop alternative to rio with= a theming window manager than an agreement is necessary to not waste time = for things never meant to be part of plan9.


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