From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31584 invoked from network); 29 Jan 2022 22:23:37 -0000 Received: from tb-ob1.topicbox.com (64.147.108.173) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Jan 2022 22:23:37 -0000 Received: from tb-mx0.topicbox.com (tb-mx0.nyi.icgroup.com [10.90.30.73]) by tb-ob1.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFFFA33D03 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2022 17:23:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bounce.mM06aba0b70dbfbe6782340dc3.r522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa@9fans.bounce.topicbox.com) Received: by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Postfix, from userid 1132) id D7F46146E797; Sat, 29 Jan 2022 17:23:36 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=9fans.net; h=to:subject :message-id:references:in-reply-to:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from:list-help:list-id :list-post:list-subscribe:reply-to:list-unsubscribe; s=dkim-1; bh=E0/7v92EP0u3Y08xczsK+4wGbW/PESCLMG1SfKjtv8I=; b=OgKh8pZN52hY scfNNOm5rA/XeVP0RxExgFtLgATcWRTlUq20LxLK/V3lLWCbhl3Z5sZX3j/rVztj 74w+QzZCs6oSLWHWv8hD6lCohaI7YlHsSLUeeIFkL6x+cMxLJt4DhYnGKFFda0MW 2d3IAVTtWNbZvWGKtq3/3KRS/meaYpg= To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] licence question Message-Id: <16434950120.e286ed8c.18342@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> References: <16433324650.ff90B.935638@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <16433713090.e62E5Cc03.507002@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <16434613850.BC38c.59069@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <16434652910.557dFF03.267022@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <16434919380.1068C1061.56471@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 17:23:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=16434950121.B0F943D3.18342 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1782b62a-8152-11ec-9518-8a559134e1fa Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UM2UwN2JmZGYyNjNhODNjOC1NMDZhYmEwYjcwZGJmYmU2NzgyMzQw?= =?UTF-8?B?ZGMzPg==?= From: "ibrahim via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M06aba0b70dbfbe6782340dc3:1:voYzFQ5H9Ri7F_Wg5kHdZtLYQR8HmDX-DTulXv4KrZ8 --16434950121.B0F943D3.18342 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 17:23:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 10:42 PM, hiro wrote: > Proof of concepts have value, too :) It's quite funny what kind of stuff somebody might dig up in 2 decades and learn something unexpected from it, happens here all the time. I'm not saying I will personally have a need for the system, but I'd like to spread this culture and make sure people share all they can. As long as it compiles... Lets take a tv set as an example for a kiosk application thats not far away= . What benefit does the user of a tv have if I put the sourcecode of the tv= set into the mounted flash device ? Sure everybody could benefit from read= ing the way I programed embedded circuit but aren't there better ways to sh= are this information ?=20 As you remember from the other thread where we talked I am willing and inte= rested to share code of interest for plan9 or derivates of it but therefore= I started that discussion. I will use plan9 as a kiosk OS or as a desktop = OS and if there is interest in my experiences and if there are others who i= ntend to use this OS also in this way I want to share code, documentation a= nd give support. I'm a software developer since 1986 I wrote a book about V= isual C++ and contributed primarily to BSD projects. I don't know long you = are part of open sourced software but my first open source software project= s date from 1986 published in the german C64 magazines.=20 Prior to the MIT licensing of plan9 I didn't use it for distributed softwar= e. My preference was OpenBSD and FreeBSD depending on the project. I don't = contribute to GPL projects because that doesn't fit my opinion of open sour= ce. There are at least 5 mio people on the planet who make a living directl= y as developers and ten times as much making a living out of developed soft= ware products. The free beer philosophy sounds nice but the IT sector is th= e most important economical sector today. We are not living in paradise and= people have to earn money by their work.=20 You never asked me to share code I offered that on my own and I started ano= ther thread to make it in the right way. I respect the pioneers who develop= ed plan9 at Bell and I don't want to break anything in plan9. I am using pl= an9 now for my projects ! And I will use it more frequently in the future != Projects I'm doing for a living will be closed source ! In my spare time I= want to support this great project and share code which gives others a goo= d basement to also use plan9 in other ways even commercial ways to make a l= iving out of it but which will also give idealists the opportunity to write= code for a better world. I did that in the past and I'm doing it today. BS= D and MIT licenses support this and the reason why I decided to give plan9 = a try in a real project was the changed license. I don't disagree to what you said cause I support open source projects and = I'm making use of them. But development is not only a hobby of mine but als= o the way I earn my living. I don't know how things are for you but when I = go shopping and am asked for the payment no one will say you don't have to = pay because you are sharing everything you can for free. And be assured I'm= not ashamed of the fact that I am making a living out of development educa= tion or development of software. I want to share some of my work but not al= l. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T3e07bfdf263a83c8-M06aba= 0b70dbfbe6782340dc3 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --16434950121.B0F943D3.18342 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 17:23:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Saturday, 29 January 2022, at 10:42 PM, hir= o wrote:
Proof of concepts have value,= too :) It's quite funny what kind of stuff somebody might dig up in 2 decades and learn something unexpected from it, happens here all the time. I'm not saying I will personally have a need for the system, but I'd like to spread this culture and make sure people share all they can. As long as it compiles...

Lets take= a tv set as an example for a kiosk application thats not far away. What be= nefit does the user of a tv have if I put the sourcecode of the tv set into= the mounted flash device ? Sure everybody could benefit from reading the w= ay I programed embedded circuit but aren't there better ways to share t= his information ?

As you remember from th= e other thread where we talked I am willing and interested to share code of= interest for plan9 or derivates of it but therefore I started that discuss= ion. I will use plan9 as a kiosk OS or as a desktop OS and if there is inte= rest in my experiences and if there are others who intend to use this OS al= so in this way I want to share code, documentation and give support. I'= m a software developer since 1986 I wrote a book about Visual C++ and contr= ibuted primarily to BSD projects. I don't know long you are part of ope= n sourced software but my first open source software projects date from 198= 6 published in the german C64 magazines.

= Prior to the MIT licensing of plan9 I didn't use it for distributed sof= tware. My preference was OpenBSD and FreeBSD depending on the project. I do= n't contribute to GPL projects because that doesn't fit my opinion = of open source. There are at least 5 mio people on the planet who make a li= ving directly as developers and ten times as much making a living out of de= veloped software products. The free beer philosophy sounds nice but the IT = sector is the most important economical sector today. We are not living in = paradise and people have to earn money by their work.

You never asked me to share code I offered that on my own and = I started another thread to make it in the right way. I respect the pioneer= s who developed plan9 at Bell and I don't want to break anything in pla= n9. I am using plan9 now for my projects ! And I will use it more frequentl= y in the future ! Projects I'm doing for a living will be closed source= ! In my spare time I want to support this great project and share code whi= ch gives others a good basement to also use plan9 in other ways even commer= cial ways to make a living out of it but which will also give idealists the= opportunity to write code for a better world. I did that in the past and I= 'm doing it today. BSD and MIT licenses support this and the reason why= I decided to give plan9 a try in a real project was the changed license.

I don't disagree to what you said cause= I support open source projects and I'm making use of them. But develop= ment is not only a hobby of mine but also the way I earn my living. I don&#= 39;t know how things are for you but when I go shopping and am asked for th= e payment no one will say you don't have to pay because you are sharing= everything you can for free. And be assured I'm not ashamed of the fac= t that I am making a living out of development education or development of = software. I want to share some of my work but not all.

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