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[9fans] Perhaps someone can give me an advice ...

[ibrahim via 9fans]

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1. My problem :

I need a way to exchange images, videos and audio with smartphones, tabletts and usual computers which reside on the same wlan-router.

2. My solutions :

All my solutions have in common that I used qr to generate a qr code which consists of the ip-adress and port on which to connect to plan9 running in qemu, 9vx or natively.

2.1. httpd

I designed a web page which uses <input type="file" ...> and XMLHttpRequest inside a script. This makes it possible to select files and transfer them to plan9. The solution works in chrome and firefox while safari sometimes causes problems due to the hard coded ip address.

2.2. ftpd

I started a ftp server on plan9 which can be used by ftp clients from mobile devices which have a client app installed and this also works. 

3. My question :

Do you have any other suggestions how to solve this problem without making it necessary to write apps for the mobile device by only relying on standard protocols. Does anybody have any ideas or experience ? Would websockets be a better solution ?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [9fans] Perhaps someone can give me an advice ...

[Skip Tavakkolian]

For android, you could try to resurrect previous work by Tim Newsham
based on Charles Forsyth's styx Java implementation:
https://github.com/9nut/styxbrowser/tree/5ed22a9238d7333ff38bc2646aeee2b2f3501136

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 9:37 PM ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
>
> 1. My problem :
>
> I need a way to exchange images, videos and audio with smartphones, tabletts and usual computers which reside on the same wlan-router.
>
> 2. My solutions :
>
> All my solutions have in common that I used qr to generate a qr code which consists of the ip-adress and port on which to connect to plan9 running in qemu, 9vx or natively.
>
> 2.1. httpd
>
> I designed a web page which uses <input type="file" ...> and XMLHttpRequest inside a script. This makes it possible to select files and transfer them to plan9. The solution works in chrome and firefox while safari sometimes causes problems due to the hard coded ip address.
>
> 2.2. ftpd
>
> I started a ftp server on plan9 which can be used by ftp clients from mobile devices which have a client app installed and this also works.
>
> 3. My question :
>
> Do you have any other suggestions how to solve this problem without making it necessary to write apps for the mobile device by only relying on standard protocols. Does anybody have any ideas or experience ? Would websockets be a better solution ?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink

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Re: [9fans] Perhaps someone can give me an advice ...

[sirjofri]

Hey,

I personally use cifsd (on 9front) and on android totalcommander+smb 
extension. It works perfectly fine without any issues across all my 
android devices. I share some of the files with other users via tcp80 
(behind tlssrv as https).

On windows I use drawterm for file transfer, but that's no comparison.

sirjofri

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Re: [9fans] Perhaps someone can give me an advice ...

[ibrahim via 9fans]

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On Thursday, 17 March 2022, at 7:53 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> For android, you could try to resurrect previous work by Tim Newsham
based on Charles Forsyth's styx Java implementation:

Thanks for the tip but I'm looking for a solution where I don't have to provide code for android or ios. I want to use built in protocols from these devices perhaps by implementing the counterpart on plan9. ftp and http are working already but if someone knows other working protocols I would try them ...

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Re: [9fans] Perhaps someone can give me an advice ...

[ibrahim via 9fans]

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On Friday, 18 March 2022, at 12:19 AM, sirjofri wrote:
> I personally use cifsd (on 9front) and on android totalcommander+smb 
extension. It works perfectly fine without any issues across all my 
android devices. I share some of the files with other users via tcp80 
(behind tlssrv as https).

I'm using totalcommander with ftp extension and didn't try smb. Thanks for the hint I'll give it a try.

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Re: [9fans] Perhaps someone can give me an advice ...

[Skip Tavakkolian]

My memory seems to be faulty. David du Colombier is the original
author of styxbrowser.
I thought Tim did the work, but the check-ins show djc and here's
David's comment on 9fans regarding this code:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.plan9/c/XPIrNsPoRa0/m/F5IcwjgYOPkJ

Sorry about any confusion.

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 11:53 AM Skip Tavakkolian
<skip.tavakkolian@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For android, you could try to resurrect previous work by Tim Newsham
> based on Charles Forsyth's styx Java implementation:
> https://github.com/9nut/styxbrowser/tree/5ed22a9238d7333ff38bc2646aeee2b2f3501136
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 9:37 PM ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
> >
> > 1. My problem :
> >
> > I need a way to exchange images, videos and audio with smartphones, tabletts and usual computers which reside on the same wlan-router.
> >
> > 2. My solutions :
> >
> > All my solutions have in common that I used qr to generate a qr code which consists of the ip-adress and port on which to connect to plan9 running in qemu, 9vx or natively.
> >
> > 2.1. httpd
> >
> > I designed a web page which uses <input type="file" ...> and XMLHttpRequest inside a script. This makes it possible to select files and transfer them to plan9. The solution works in chrome and firefox while safari sometimes causes problems due to the hard coded ip address.
> >
> > 2.2. ftpd
> >
> > I started a ftp server on plan9 which can be used by ftp clients from mobile devices which have a client app installed and this also works.
> >
> > 3. My question :
> >
> > Do you have any other suggestions how to solve this problem without making it necessary to write apps for the mobile device by only relying on standard protocols. Does anybody have any ideas or experience ? Would websockets be a better solution ?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery options Permalink

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Re: [9fans] Perhaps someone can give me an advice ...

[sirjofri]

Hey,

If someone does some work on native 9p stuff for android I'd really love 
some apk. I'm not an android dev, only did very few things on android 
programming-wise.

Thanks for starting this thread.

sirjofri

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Re: [9fans] Perhaps someone can give me an advice ...

[ibrahim via 9fans]

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On Friday, 18 March 2022, at 9:07 PM, sirjofri wrote:
> If someone does some work on native 9p stuff for android I'd really love 
some apk. I'm not an android dev, only did very few things on android 
programming-wise.

After testing smb, ftpd and httpd approaches for my current problem I decided to use the ftpd and httpd solutions. The httpd solution combined with a uplaod html page which contains javascript using the file and xmlhttprequest api works on both android and ios without any needs for supplementary apps as long as scripting isn't restricted. The ftpd and smb approach also works but makes additional apps on the user phone necessary while most of those apps are freely available (also perhaps potentially dangerous for the users). 

While for my project there are no benefits doing this its possible to write a 9p fileserver in javascript only relying on the file and xmlhttprequest using html and the js file. It would temporarily make a 9p filesystem available on the plan9 side but I'm sure the connection will be closed unexpectedly by the browsers on the phone side so this will cause more problems than bring benefits. For my project using ftpd and httpd suffice cause my users can now transfer data directly to plan9 with tools available for android and ios. 

Instead of opening a new thread : I'm interested in low budget thin client solutions with plan9 as an intranet server which than connects to a web server for data exchange. 

Currently I have tested my approch on :

Fujitsu S900, Lenovo M32, Igel M340. I didn't get my hands on a HP 610 or Fujitsu S920 perhaps someone already tried this and can share his experience. 

Also I prepare a list of low budget USB WLan Sticks which are supported by 9legacy and 9front enhancements. Currently I mastered support for sticks with Realtek RT 8188. I ordered about 20 different models with different chipsets for testing and adjusting the drivers. If somebody knows about other chipsets working with 9legacy or 9front just telling what works would be nice.

While on wait I'm intending to port the freebsd bluetooth stack (netgraph) to plan9. I would be surprised if no one started such a project till now so if someone shares this goal I would be interested in a cooperative work. 

Thanks for replies ...

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Re: [9fans] Perhaps someone can give me an advice ...

[Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)]

ibrahim via 9fans writes:

> While on wait I'm intending to port the freebsd bluetooth stack (netgraph) =
> to plan9. I would be surprised if no one started such a project till now so=
>  if someone shares this goal I would be interested in a cooperative work.=20

Huh. I'd never thought about looking at that ng code as the basis for a
port.  I wouldn't have thought it's even close to being a natural port,
but my netgraph experience is rather limited ...

Bluetooth (and BLE) support woould be *very* nice to have.  It would be
really slick to get my Moolitpass MiniBLE working with factotum.  This
has been on my todo list for a while now, using USB to connect.  I need
to do USB anyway to support the older versions of the authenticator
hardware.

--lyndon

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[9fans] bluetooth

[Richard Miller]

lyndon@orthanc.ca:
> Bluetooth (and BLE) support woould be *very* nice to have.

I have a native bluetooth host implementation for Plan 9, not ported
from anything (it's written from scratch based on published bt specs.)
I don't regard it as sufficiently debugged for a release ... it's
missing some important error handling (mandatory retries to recover from
poor reception) and it just plain doesn't work for some of the dongles
I've tried. I don't know whether it's compatible with BLE (which didn't
exist at the time I wrote it). Contact me off list if you'd like a copy.


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[9fans] Re: bluetooth

[ibrahim via 9fans]

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I'm interested if the results will be MIT or BSD2 licensed cause I want to share the results with 9front, 9legacy. I contacted you off list. 
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