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I know that the russ= ian tech was very
isolated compared to modern technology.

The most interesting for me ar= e the Setun ternary computers designed by Nikolay Brusentsov in the la= te '50s running a Forth like system. They did a lot of research and cam= e to the conclusion that Forth was _the_ language. They saw Forth as a disc= overy by Chuck Moore, not an invention (to give him more credit, no less). = The binary computers that become popular (m-3, ural, etc) were slowly repla= ced by clones of western computers PDP-11, Intel, Vax, etc). The operating = systems were mostly clones too. The computers of the '80s and '90s = in schools and homes were clones of PC, Apple, Z80. The Spectrum clones wer= e very popular. Asian computer technology was imported from the Western or = Soviet worlds, so they had to add devices or methods to enter their own cha= racters (look for some crazy keyboard built in Taiwan). The early input met= hods (form the '70s?) were pretty much like the ones we use today. As f= ar as I know, there wasn't any Asian computer created without Western o= r Soviet influence.

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