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On Wednesday, 20 July 2022, at 11:15 PM, cigar= 562hfsp952fans wrote:
I've often w= ondered that. What input methods do Chinese speakers use? What do Chinese keyboards look like? How do they find/select the character they want? Are different sets of characters available on different computers, or are input methods standardized? I wonder.
Most Chinese speakers just use standard "British and Am= erican keyboards". There are keycaps engraved with Wubi or Cangjie or = Bopomofo (or Zhuyin), but they are all compatible with QWERTY.
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On Thursday, 21 July 2022, at 1:58 AM, sirjofri wrote:=
I was more referring to computers bui= lt without any american influence at=20 all, so no ansi, no ascii, no LTR, probably different keycodes...
Cangjie was the first solution to Chinese processing with *pe= rsonal computers* (at the time of Apple ][ it was sold as  extension b= oards.)
There used to be other encoding methods such as usi= ng only numpad (Four-Corner Method), or special keyboards (Ming Kwai typewr= iter), even an input method for Chinese had been invented in US https://patents.google.com/pa= tent/US2412777A, but they were almost disappeared.


1. Cangjie is copyright free and related IMEs are distributed as free so= ftware, while (at least newer version of) Wubi is patented.
2. Personally, I realized the order of strokes has been changed during the= last 10 years or so and similarly, the pronunciation of certain characters= has also altered over the time.

Best wish= es
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