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From: "ibrahim via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net>
To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] A few questions about 9p
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2022 02:30:51 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <16676298510.a96B.653661@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E754B4B1DB592A786FF18CB50F017B46@eigenstate.org>

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Thank you for your clarifications Ori. From the perspective of kernel filesystems what you wrote made things clear. But one question remains regarding tflush and user fileservers :

On Saturday, 5 November 2022, at 5:31 AM, ori wrote:
> This situation is impossible -- you can always respond to a Tflush. Repeated tflushes for the same tag may
simply be coalesced into one response.

tflush is also used to interrupt pending requests in user-file-systems. And there such a situation can happen where you can't respond to a Tflush. The server already processed the message for noldtag and sent its reply. Now you can't reply to a tflush with rflush cause that would mean the Tflush was successful and you can't answer with Rerror cause the rule says that Rerror is not allowed as a response to Tflush messages. Am I right regarding this situation or is this a misunderstanding. 


On Saturday, 5 November 2022, at 5:31 AM, ori wrote:
> how would this work for file systems like kbdfs, /net, etc? your proposal doesn't work for most of the file systems shipped with plan 9.

You are right I only looked at the problems from the perspective of the user-fileservers I am developing right now. And so I tried to understand the possible impact of tflush for data-integrity. 

After your response I'll use this strategy in my user-fileservers :

1) Repond to Tflush right away with Rflush 
2) Revert all changes to the file/directory ==> A full rollback
3) Invalidate the fid and reply with Rerror on the next message where this fid is used.
4) Make changes permanent only after a Tclunk for a valid fid. 
5) Document this behavior.


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  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-05  6:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-31 23:14 ibrahim via 9fans
2022-11-04 23:41 ` ron minnich
2022-11-05  1:32   ` ibrahim via 9fans
2022-11-05  4:10   ` ibrahim via 9fans
2022-11-05  4:30     ` ori
2022-11-05  6:30       ` ibrahim via 9fans [this message]
2022-11-05 14:09         ` ori
2022-11-05 15:50           ` ibrahim via 9fans
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     [not found] ` <CAHL7psGPf3z56wjZGJsSVCeEzHBJgtbt17nL-UNA8kXKM-mkuw@mail.gmail.com>
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     [not found]     ` <CAHL7psEUjdaV9LABzRrHn1TLftF+moxWV563-tvK+7VLviKhRg@mail.gmail.com>
2015-01-29  9:04       ` Giacomo Tesio
2015-01-29 10:07         ` Charles Forsyth
2015-01-29 14:36           ` erik quanstrom
2015-01-29 14:41           ` Giacomo Tesio
2015-01-29 14:52             ` erik quanstrom
2015-01-29 14:54             ` cinap_lenrek
2015-01-29 15:46               ` Giacomo Tesio

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