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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A big reason for doing Plan 9, as the linked article says right up top, was supporting multi{core|processor} machines. And that took some research because there really hadn't been that many around to write OSes for before then. Some novel work resulted, work that still has relevance. -rob On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 8:41=E2=80=AFAM wrote: > Quoth dusan3sic@gmail.com: > > Does plan9 have multi-core support? If it does, how does it manage it > (what files/man pages/docs do I read). If it doesn't have, how would I > implement it. > > read: https://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/9 > and once again, read: https://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html > > (hint: multiprocessor means the same thing as multicore) > > > If it doesn't have, how would I implement it. >=20 > it already has it, but if it didn't -- were incapable of finding out > if we have multicore support, what makes you would be able to implement i= t? >=20 ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T912e4838cb1a371f-M0a598= 4a2228bdd4fb5b8e1f2 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --0000000000009543860603dc291b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A big reason for doing Plan 9, as the linked article = says right up top, was supporting multi{core|processor} machines. And that = took some research because there really hadn't been that many around to= write OSes for before then. Some novel work resulted, work that still has = relevance.

-rob


On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 8:41 AM <<= a href=3D"mailto:ori@eigenstate.org">ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
Quoth dusan3sic@gmail.com:
> Does plan9 have multi-core support? If it does, how does it manage it = (what files/man pages/docs do I read). If it doesn't have, how would I = implement it.

read: https://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/pape= rs/9
and once again, read: https://www.mikeash.com/getting_an= swers.html

(hint: multiprocessor means the same thing as multicore)

> If it doesn't have, how would I implement it.

it already has it, but if it didn't -- were incapable of finding out if we have multicore support, what makes you would be able to implement it?=


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If it does, how does it manage it (wh= at files/man pages/docs do I read). If it doesn't have, how would I impleme= nt it.=20 > 9fans / 9fans / see discussions + participants + delivery=C2=A0options Permalink ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T912e4838cb1a371f-M2a931= aa9ad094e9ae670cfaa Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --Apple-Mail=_35B2F63C-B077-4534-99AD-8090C9967F86 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 In addition to t= he papers Ori pointed out, you may wish to read Francisco J Ballesteros'= ; Notes on the Plan9 3rd edition kernel:
https://citeseerx.ist.psu= .edu/viewdoc/download?doi=3D10.1.1.75.5409

I= don't know how obsolete this is for the current versions of plan9.&nbs= p;https://github.com/= Plan9-Archive/plan9-3e
supposedly has the version described i= n the above notes but I haven't verified. 
On Aug 26, 2023, at 12:33 PM, dusan3sic@= gmail.com wrote:

<= div>Does plan9 have multi-core support? If it does, how does it manage it (= what files/man pages/docs do I read). If it doesn't have, how would I i= mplement it.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rob - would you be willing to tell us what the novel work is (and more about it) that still has relevance today? I'm sure I'm not the only one on the list that would love to learn more about that history. Best, D On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 7:54=E2=80=AFPM Rob Pike wrote: > A big reason for doing Plan 9, as the linked article says right up top, > was supporting multi{core|processor} machines. And that took some research > because there really hadn't been that many around to write OSes for before > then. Some novel work resulted, work that still has relevance. > > -rob > > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 8:41=E2=80=AFAM wrote: > >> Quoth dusan3sic@gmail.com: >> > Does plan9 have multi-core support? If it does, how does it manage it >> (what files/man pages/docs do I read). If it doesn't have, how would I >> implement it. >> >> read: https://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/9 >> and once again, read: https://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html >> >> (hint: multiprocessor means the same thing as multicore) >> >> > If it doesn't have, how would I implement it. >>=20 >> it already has it, but if it didn't -- were incapable of finding out >> if we have multicore support, what makes you would be able to implement >> it? >>=20 > *9fans * / 9fans / see discussions > + participants > + delivery options > Permalink > > ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T912e4838cb1a371f-Maaac5= c0f46bec1bac63b84ef Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --0000000000002468790603dd7bea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rob - would you be willing to tell us what the= novel work is (and more about it) that still has relevance today? I'm = sure I'm not the only one on the list that would love to learn more abo= ut that history. 

Best,
D

On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 7:54 PM Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote:
A big reason for doin= g Plan 9, as the linked article says right up top, was supporting multi{cor= e|processor} machines. And that took some research because there really had= n't been that many around to write OSes for before then. Some novel wor= k resulted, work that still has relevance.

-rob


On Sun, Aug = 27, 2023 at 8:41 AM <ori@eigenstate.org> wrote:
Quoth dusan3sic@gmail.com:
> Does plan9 have multi-core support? If it does, how does it manage it = (what files/man pages/docs do I read). If it doesn't have, how would I = implement it.

read: https://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/pape= rs/9
and once again, read: https://www.mikeash.com/getting_an= swers.html

(hint: multiprocessor means the same thing as multicore)

> If it doesn't have, how would I implement it.

it already has it, but if it didn't -- were incapable of finding out if we have multicore support, what makes you would be able to implement it?=


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I'm sure I'm not the only one on > the list that would love to learn more about that history. > I wouldn=E2=80=99t try to speak for Rob, but I imagine that this would incl= ude at least the rendezvous work (cf the =E2=80=9CMultiprocessor Sleep and Wakeup= =E2=80=9D paper) and possibly channel-based CSP-style concurrency inside the kernel. Hopefully Rob will share this with his thoughts here; I=E2=80=99m intereste= d as well. - Dan C. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T912e4838cb1a371f-M21d66= 77b78aef7094de3024d Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --00000000000032dbc00603e6a6cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 9:28 PM Don Bailey <don.bailey@gmail.com> wrote:
Rob - wo= uld you be willing to tell us what the novel work is (and more about it) th= at still has relevance today? I'm sure I'm not the only one on the = list that would love to learn more about that history. 

I wouldn’t try to= speak for Rob, but I imagine that this would include at least the rendezvo= us work (cf the “Multiprocessor Sleep and Wakeup” paper) and po= ssibly channel-based CSP-style concurrency inside the kernel.

Hopefully Rob will share this with = his thoughts here; I’m interested as well.
        - Dan C.


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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Windows and Linux began on single-core single processor machines. Multipro= cessor had been around for some time--IBM's System 360 began using multi-pr= ocessors in 1968--but not for x86. Plan 9 first edition came out in 1992, a= t a time when multicore didn't exist, and multicore was released with IBM's= Power 4 in 2001.=C2=A0 I can see why someone would ask if Plan 9 supports multicore. Plan 9 3rd ed= ition was released in 2000 and 4th edition was released in 2002. In each ca= se, going from single core-single processor to multiprocessor and then from= multiprocessor to multicore would require changes in the operating system = to recognize the extra processors and then the cores. On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 04:50:50 PM CDT, wro= te:=20=20 =20 Quoth dusan3sic@gmail.com: > I finally read the article about asking questions, sorry if i was being r= ude or was waisting your time, wasn't my intention.=20 people wrote documentation for a reason; sometimes the documentation is confusing, insufficient, or you didn't know the right keyword to look up so you could help yourself; that's ok. but you need to at least try, and give enough information on how you tried so that you can be pointed in the right direction. =20 > And about the multi-core support, well I kinda moved away from it since I= don't really need it, I was just wondering if i can disable it in an easy = way for the measurement I am doing yes; from the plan9.ini manpage, where most boot options are documented: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 *nomp=3D =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 A multiprocessor machine will enable all= processors by =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 default.=C2=A0 Setting *nomp restricts t= he kernel to starting =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 only one processor and using the traditi= onal interrupt con- =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 troller. 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Windows and L= inux began on single-core single processor machines. Multiprocessor had bee= n around for some time--IBM's System 360 began using multi-processors i= n 1968--but not for x86. Plan 9 first edition came out in 1992, at a time w= hen multicore didn't exist, and multicore was released with IBM's P= ower 4 in 2001. 

I can see why someone would ask i= f Plan 9 supports multicore. Plan 9 3rd edition was released in 2000 and 4t= h edition was released in 2002. In each case, going from single core-single= processor to multiprocessor and then from multiprocessor to multicore woul= d require changes in the operating system to recognize the extra processors= and then the cores.

On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 04:50:50 PM CDT, <ori= @eigenstate.org> wrote:


Quoth dusan3sic@gmail.com:
> I finally read the a= rticle about asking questions, sorry if i was being rude or was waisting yo= ur time, wasn't my intention.

people wrote documentation for a reason; sometimes the documentation isconfusing, insufficient, or you didn't know the right= keyword to look up
so you could help yourself; that= 9;s ok.

but you need to at least t= ry, and give enough information on how you tried
so tha= t you can be pointed in the right direction.

> And about the multi-core support, well I kinda moved away = from it since I don't really need it, I was just wondering if i can dis= able it in an easy way for the measurement I am doing
<= br clear=3D"none" />yes; from the plan9.ini manpage, where most boot option= s are documented:

    &n= bsp;   *nomp=3D
         = A multiprocessor machine will enable all processors by
          default.  Setting *nomp restricts = the kernel to starting
        &nbs= p; only one processor and using the traditional interrupt con-
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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Plan 9 first edition came out in 1992, at a time when multicore didn't ex= ist, and multicore was released with IBM's Power 4 in 2001.=20 possibly true but multi-cpu boxes where becoming quite popular in the late = 1980s and these have very similar kernel design challenges to multicore arc= hitectures. one of the 1st edition=E2=80=99s target hosts where sgi numa machines (chal= lenge 2s i think) what i am saying is the plan9 kernel supported multiple processors from the= very early days. i wonder if the lost vax kernel supported multiple cpu's (or maybe is was k= enfs only?). 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Plan 9 first edition came = out in 1992, at a time when multicore didn't exist, and multicore was r= eleased with IBM's Power 4 in 2001. 

possibly true but multi-cpu boxes where becoming quite popular = in the late 1980s and these have very similar kernel design challenges to m= ulticore architectures.

one of the 1st edition&r= squo;s target hosts where sgi numa machines (challenge 2s i think)

what i am saying is the plan9 kernel supported multiple = processors from the very early days.

i wonder if= the lost vax kernel supported multiple cpu's (or maybe is was kenfs on= ly?).

Steve

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identity=mailfrom; envelope-from="khm@sciops.net"; helo=wopr.sciops.net; client-ip=216.126.196.60 Received: from wopr.sciops.net (wopr.sciops.net [216.126.196.60]) by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for <9fans@9fans.net>; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 14:21:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from khm@sciops.net) Received: from localhost (wopr.sciops.net [local]) by wopr.sciops.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id 263b94e4 for <9fans@9fans.net>; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 11:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 11:20:38 -0700 To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support Message-ID: Mail-Followup-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> References: <16931297570.6681ce.192426@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <97EEEC9FA2BC0033BD8DF60DF73416D3@eigenstate.org> <1790306295.1334479.1693225975991@mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <1790306295.1334479.1693225975991@mail.yahoo.com> Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: b3eac956-45cf-11ee-9c18-c587fb8b7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UOTEyZTQ4MzhjYjFhMzcxZi1NNzgyZmQzZjZiODdhNmYzNjYxMmM3?= =?UTF-8?B?Y2ZkPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> From: "Kurt H Maier via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M782fd3f6b87a6f36612c7cfd:1:F_RgtNshweGmYOFIWtuk5a7dYRbTkJI3tFGYjsMakMw On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 12:32:55PM +0000, G B via 9fans wrote: > Windows and Linux began on single-core single processor machines. 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Multip= rocessor had been around for some time--IBM's System 360 began using multi-= processors in 1968--but not for x86. Plan 9 first edition came out in 1992,= at a time when multicore didn't exist, and multicore was released with IBM= 's Power 4 in 2001.=20 >> I can see why someone would ask if Plan 9 supports multicore. Plan 9 3rd= edition was released in 2000 and 4th edition was released in 2002. In each= case, going from single core-single processor to multiprocessor and then f= rom multiprocessor to multicore would require changes in the operating syst= em to recognize the extra processors and then the cores. >=20 > Symmetric multiprocessing was available in 1992, even on x86 > machines. Multics, tops-10, and various unixes all supported it by then. > Once you have shared-memory SMP there's little difference between > multiprocessor and multicore. 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The dual VAX was the first machine we tried to make work, but for various reasons including the machine's peculiarities and our own embryonic knowledge, we abandoned it. The first working Plan 9 kernel was for a 4-CPU (one MIPS chip per board) IRIS machine, with custom locking hardware (on another board) because the MIPS 2000 had no synchronization instructions. That was started in early 1989. If there is any evidence of the VAX attempt around, I would disavow it. -rob On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 4:22=E2=80=AFPM Steve Simon wr= ote: > > there was a vax compiler and i think a vax kenfs implementation, i don=E2= =80=99t > know if there was a vax cpu/auth kernel. quite possibly not. > > currently i can only find my own post on tuhs confirming the vax was a > dead end. but i am sure jmk told me he found a vax compiler binary in the > labs dump. > > i think vaxes where becoming rather pass=C3=A9 by the time plan9 was born. > > -Steve > > > > On 28 Aug 2023, at 7:21 pm, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> > wrote: > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 12:32:55PM +0000, G B via 9fans wrote: > >> Windows and Linux began on single-core single processor machines. > Multiprocessor had been around for some time--IBM's System 360 began using > multi-processors in 1968--but not for x86. Plan 9 first edition came out = in > 1992, at a time when multicore didn't exist, and multicore was released > with IBM's Power 4 in 2001. > >> I can see why someone would ask if Plan 9 supports multicore. Plan 9 > 3rd edition was released in 2000 and 4th edition was released in 2002. In > each case, going from single core-single processor to multiprocessor and > then from multiprocessor to multicore would require changes in the > operating system to recognize the extra processors and then the cores. > > > > Symmetric multiprocessing was available in 1992, even on x86 > > machines. Multics, tops-10, and various unixes all supported it by the= n. > > Once you have shared-memory SMP there's little difference between > > multiprocessor and multicore. Plan 9's implementation is imo cleaner > > than most of what came before, but by 1992 there was a lot of > > multiprocessing going on in the world. > > > > khm ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T912e4838cb1a371f-M14e2d= 9d6e4f5fb1a58a1e4f0 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --00000000000019ced206040ade99 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The dual VAX was the first machine we tried to make w= ork, but for various reasons including the machine's peculiarities and = our own embryonic knowledge, we abandoned it. The first working Plan 9 kern= el was for a 4-CPU (one MIPS chip per board) IRIS machine, with custom lock= ing hardware (on another board) because the MIPS 2000 had no synchronizatio= n instructions. That was started in early 1989.

If there is any evidence= of the VAX attempt around, I would disavow it.

-rob

On Tue,= Aug 29, 2023 at 4:22 PM Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:

there was a vax compiler and i think a vax kenfs implementation, i don&rsqu= o;t know if there was a vax cpu/auth kernel. quite possibly not.

currently i can only find my own post on tuhs confirming the vax was a dead= end. but i am sure jmk told me he found a vax compiler binary in the labs = dump.

i think vaxes where becoming rather passé by the time plan9 was born= .

-Steve


> On 28 Aug 2023, at 7:21 pm, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 12:32:55PM +0000, G B via 9fans wrote:=
>> Windows and Linux began on single-core single processor machines. = Multiprocessor had been around for some time--IBM's System 360 began us= ing multi-processors in 1968--but not for x86. Plan 9 first edition came ou= t in 1992, at a time when multicore didn't exist, and multicore was rel= eased with IBM's Power 4 in 2001.
>> I can see why someone would ask if Plan 9 supports multicore. Plan= 9 3rd edition was released in 2000 and 4th edition was released in 2002. I= n each case, going from single core-single processor to multiprocessor and = then from multiprocessor to multicore would require changes in the operatin= g system to recognize the extra processors and then the cores.
>
> Symmetric multiprocessing was available in 1992, even on x86
> machines.  Multics, tops-10, and various unixes all supported it = by then.
> Once you have shared-memory SMP there's little difference between<= br /> > multiprocessor and multicore.  Plan 9's implementation is imo= cleaner
> than most of what came before, but by 1992 there was a lot of
> multiprocessing going on in the world.
>
> khm

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