From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,HTML_MESSAGE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from tb-ob21.topicbox.com (tb-ob21.topicbox.com [173.228.157.67]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF0524B38 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 23:31:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from tb-mx0.topicbox.com (tb-mx0.nyi.icgroup.com [10.90.30.73]) by tb-ob21.topicbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF89631C7E for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 17:31:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bounce.mM1b1a00ca5bee02ee2ffbc041.r522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa@9fans.bounce.topicbox.com) Received: by tb-mx0.topicbox.com (Postfix, from userid 1132) id 9B50EC238F0; Fri, 26 Jan 2024 17:31:09 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=9fans.net; h=from:to :subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:date:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-help:list-id :list-post:list-subscribe:reply-to:list-unsubscribe; s=dkim-1; t=1706308269; x=1706394669; bh=wl09Nr48z4IN40dM6125qFSWY/OR+DqE TyMKu4IJRWc=; b=fkvKVQloDLTWEVT8KuKcX6OeV8F8FdbtSjgnl8MahPLoD4Mw 20beZt6TLMVKPISbv/CiMswOsD14eHjDW2WplZDy8Mw2NgNpH/PQC3Z6cpKVTt7S o18l3rvMePZmMObAE38D9NwLfKvRuprGtRuX7NTk/LMhIe8uSsJkxy7BrV0= From: denzuko@panix.com To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] Formation of a Plan 9 Core Team Message-Id: <17063082600.fde6b0e5C.995238@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 17:31:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=17063082601.76cBBC878.995238 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 95568a9c-bc9a-11ee-a5a6-cdda202d11b0 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UNWJkYjUxOTczNDRlNGU3Zi1NMWIxYTAwY2E1YmVlMDJlZTJmZmJj?= =?UTF-8?B?MDQxPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M1b1a00ca5bee02ee2ffbc041:1:hd7b7ZWAcvxfcRu04NxqufwUJWJ_-nN5RJdHL5utXIg --17063082601.76cBBC878.995238 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 17:31:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday, January 26, 2024, at 6:47 AM, sirjofri wrote: > I remember, when I started with Plan 9, I wanted to improve many things, = contribute everything I could, until I realized that many things are like t= hey are on purpose. I was often grounded by people like ori, hiro, mycrofti= v, kvik and a few others on grid, as well as cat-v. I learned that being pa= rt of Plan 9 does not necessarily mean contributing large chunks of code, o= r changing many things to be "better" (whatever better means). Couldn't agree with this any stronger and for one apricate it being said. I= n a way I need to hear it myself too. I am sure coming into grid chat like I do and asking so many newb questions= might be annoying but having everyone there give some gentle nudges on how= the 9 way is has been helpful. Like my frogfind script up on grid disk, it= was calling mothra directly originally but now just plumbs the url=C2=A0 t= hanks to a suggestion on grid chat and some rethinking of the problem. But honestly the community has been nothing but helpful and as for a Plan9 = core team; it feels like there already is a core team without there being a= risk of death by committee of an formal core team. Let along that anyone w= ho finds there way to supporting the community at large is a contributor to= that so called "core team". Guess what I'm saying here is while I'm a bit on the newer side I do agree = overall that there does not need to be a core team since p9p, 9front, and 9= legacy have a small enough contributor base, community, and design philosop= hy that a formalization doesn't fit in or make any sense. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T5bdb5197344e4e7f-M1b1a0= 0ca5bee02ee2ffbc041 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --17063082601.76cBBC878.995238 Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 17:31:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Friday, January 26, 2024, at 6:47 AM, sirjo= fri wrote:
I remember, when I started with Plan 9, = I wanted to improve many things, contribute everything I could, until I rea= lized that many things are like they are on purpose. I was often grounded b= y people like ori, hiro, mycroftiv, kvik and a few others on grid, as well = as cat-v. I learned that being part of Plan 9 does not necessarily mean con= tributing large chunks of code, or changing many things to be "better&= quot; (whatever better means).

Couldn&#= 39;t agree with this any stronger and for one apricate it being said. In a = way I need to hear it myself too.

I am sure comi= ng into grid chat like I do and asking so many newb questions might be anno= ying but having everyone there give some gentle nudges on how the 9 way is = has been helpful. Like my frogfind script up on grid disk, it was calling m= othra directly originally but now just plumbs the url  thanks to a sug= gestion on grid chat and some rethinking of the problem.

But hon= estly the community has been nothing but helpful and as for a Plan9 core te= am; it feels like there already is a core team without there being a risk o= f death by committee of an formal core team. Let along that anyone who find= s there way to supporting the community at large is a contributor to that s= o called "core team".

Guess what I'= ;m saying here is while I'm a bit on the newer side I do agree overall = that there does not need to be a core team since p9p, 9front, and 9legacy h= ave a small enough contributor base, community, and design philosophy that = a formalization doesn't fit in or make any sense.
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