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(Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) Message-Id: <17155835360.6DBFa429B.328046@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> References: <17155791150.6Fb8eECc8.4993@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <163f0a9d-0d05-472f-8198-f4ccbcfaf2db@posixcafe.org> In-Reply-To: <163f0a9d-0d05-472f-8198-f4ccbcfaf2db@posixcafe.org> Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 02:58:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=17155835361.Aa8d552.328046 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 44a69c58-10f6-11ef-a10d-20772b2d11b0 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UY2YxMjhmYTk1NWI4YWFmYy1NZjQyNjk0MTBkZjE5ZDllMWU3MjM5?= =?UTF-8?B?NTI2Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> From: "ibrahim via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Mf4269410df19d9e1e7239526:1:MKMGEfAZZJcvHZOoTrNzqEI7VSxkqZfpVCy5_LCIg-8 --17155835361.Aa8d552.328046 Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 02:58:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 8:21 AM, Jacob Moody wrote: > I was making fun of your bragging because you implicated more installs eq= uated to higher quality. I never said that more installs equate higher quality and I never said that= the quality of your code sucks or my code quality is better.=20 On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 8:21 AM, Jacob Moody wrote: > I trust that the licensing in 9front has been handled correctly. I have to make my decisions cause by distributing my fork I am the one who = is liable. On Monday, 13 May 2024, at=20 8:22 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > Hope this helps, Yes it does. As it seems you used code licensed with LPL and made changes w= hile avoiding the use of GPL licensed code which would have caused problems. On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 8:02 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > One by one we're getting rid of the third-party software -- I particularly look forward to the day we can finally ditch Ghostscript -- but in the meantime these accusations of license violations are misinformed and have no basis in reality. You don't have to ditch Ghostscript. You can provide this as a seperated do= wnload. The user of your system is free to download GPL'ed programs or code= as he pleases. This won't infect other parts of the system which don't rel= y on the existence of such programs.=20 On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 8:21 AM, Jacob Moody wrote: > I was trying to communicate that for the purposes of using hardware made = this millennia (as any "professional" would do), 9front clearly has better = code for doing so. I trust that the licensing in 9front has been handled correctly. I don't doubt that your fork runs on more systems out of the box compared t= o plan9 final edition. But with minor changes in the final edition of plan9= I also don't have problems to make my fork work on hardware made for this = millennia. I tried your system on some thin clients and except for a few wi= th bugs in the bios or in uefi and some issues with timer interrupts your s= ystem was also running.=20 I respect your fork but I won't use it for distributed systems.=20 ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tcf128fa955b8aafc-Mf4269= 410df19d9e1e7239526 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --17155835361.Aa8d552.328046 Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 02:58:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 8:21 AM, Jacob Mood= y wrote:
I was making fun of your brag= ging because you implicated more installs equated to higher quality.
<= /blockquote>
I never said that more installs equate higher quality and = I never said that the quality of your code sucks or my code quality is bett= er.

On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 8:21 AM, J= acob Moody wrote:
I trust that the lic= ensing in 9front has been handled correctly.
I have = to make my decisions cause by distributing my fork I am the one who is liab= le. On Monday, 13 May 2024, at

8:22 AM, K= urt H Maier wrote:
Hope this helps,
Yes it does. As it seems you used code licensed with L= PL and made changes while avoiding the use of GPL licensed code which would= have caused problems.

On Monday, 13 May 2= 024, at 8:02 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote:
O= ne by one we're getting rid of the third-party software -- I particularly look forward to the day we can finally ditch Ghostscript -- but in the meantime these accusations of license violations are misinformed and have no basis in reality.

You don't have to ditch Ghostscript. You can provide this as a s= eperated download. The user of your system is free to download GPL'ed p= rograms or code as he pleases. This won't infect other parts of the sys= tem which don't rely on the existence of such programs.


On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 8:21 AM, Jac= ob Moody wrote:
I was trying to commun= icate that for the purposes of using hardware made this millennia (as any &= quot;professional" would do), 9front clearly has better code for doing= so. I trust that the licensing in 9front has been handled correctly.
I don't doubt that your fork runs on more systems out of t= he box compared to plan9 final edition. But with minor changes in the final= edition of plan9 I also don't have problems to make my fork work on ha= rdware made for this millennia. I tried your system on some thin clients an= d except for a few with bugs in the bios or in uefi and some issues with ti= mer interrupts your system was also running.

<= div>I respect your fork but I won't use it for distributed systems.

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