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(Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) Message-Id: <17156157800.3fEacD4.597083@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> References: <8122BD1CA772D8E283AAED63FDC339E5@eigenstate.org> <17155935070.19Cc2BF.51884@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <17156013840.6779.8589@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> <5933f4a4-11bd-4349-8281-f1751cd4829b@posixcafe.org> <17156126590.a4A4A5.85311@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> In-Reply-To: <17156126590.a4A4A5.85311@composer.9fans.topicbox.com> Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 11:56:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=17156157801.d071fD737.597083 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5728c41e-1141-11ef-acf3-20772b2d11b0 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UZTA1MWYyMzBmMjY1NmJiYi1NNzFhMjJiZDFmOTBjNjBhOTY5NjFk?= =?UTF-8?B?NjI2Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> From: "ibrahim via 9fans" <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M71a22bd1f90c60a96961d626:1:4nFGdWATJs2iIJCx9ypmt8HNpsb1w4Nnb_ZUe3XBzzc --17156157801.d071fD737.597083 Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 11:56:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 4:39 PM, Jacob Moody wrote: > Fine my dude, you don't have to call us Plan 9, you don't have to want to= use our code. However I ask that you be mindful in how you talk to new use= rs and don't assume that they have this same level of care for authenticity and "pure" code origins as yo= u. You should read more carefully what I replied to the new user. It had nothi= ng to do with licenses at all.=C2=A0 I drew a path which spares him the fru= strations during the time where he gets used to the system. And using 9vx i= s one way to set one step after the other. I'm wondering why you don't adju= st it so that 9front can also be run there. As far as I can tell from once = experimenting the reason why 9front doesn't run are your extensions to the = kernel interface. 9vx is by far a better more plan9-ish way to virtualize u= nder linux. But thats your decision. The path I suggested is the simplest o= ne at least I think so. It takes less than 30 min to have a running plan9 i= nstallation without any problems arising from file servers without the prob= lems of networking or data exchange. If you really believe that the path I = suggested was a bad one or isn't simpler than directly using on of the plan= 9 distros I would really be=C2=A0 surprised. This new guy has to learn rc, = acme, rio, about plan9.ini about mouse shortcuts in acme. And do you really= believe doing this directly on 9legacy or 9front is simpler than by using = 9vx ? If this guy reaches the 4.step he will find his own path to whatever fork h= e pleases. So where exactly was my reply mindless ? ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Te051f230f2656bbb-M71a22= bd1f90c60a96961d626 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription --17156157801.d071fD737.597083 Date: Mon, 13 May 2024 11:56:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 4:= 39 PM, Jacob Moody wrote:
Fine my dude= , you don't have to call us Plan 9, you don't have to want to use o= ur code. However I ask that you be mindful in how you talk to new users and= don't assume that they have this same level of care for authenticity and "pure" code ori= gins as you.

You should read more c= arefully what I replied to the new user. It had nothing to do with licenses= at all.  I drew a path which spares him the frustrations during the t= ime where he gets used to the system. And using 9vx is one way to set one s= tep after the other. I'm wondering why you don't adjust it so that = 9front can also be run there. As far as I can tell from once experimenting = the reason why 9front doesn't run are your extensions to the kernel int= erface. 9vx is by far a better more plan9-ish way to virtualize under linux= . But thats your decision. The path I suggested is the simplest one at leas= t I think so. It takes less than 30 min to have a running plan9 installatio= n without any problems arising from file servers without the problems of ne= tworking or data exchange. If you really believe that the path I suggested = was a bad one or isn't simpler than directly using on of the plan9 dist= ros I would really be  surprised. This new guy has to learn rc, acme, = rio, about plan9.ini about mouse shortcuts in acme. And do you really belie= ve doing this directly on 9legacy or 9front is simpler than by using 9vx ?<= br />

If this guy reaches the 4.step he will fin= d his own path to whatever fork he pleases. So where exactly was my reply m= indless ?

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