From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: erik quanstrom Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 17:45:39 -0500 To: 9fans@9fans.net Message-ID: <18b8d3d0c6c2a261b2c805e625081143@ladd.quanstro.net> In-Reply-To: <214e5e9f99e73a1094433938b5e1dc0c@pi.att> References: <20131223182840.Horde.HuKfFKF2fZoroKVTFstUiw4@ssl.eumx.net> <20131223205159.Horde.iY9hvHuKffSBozksmDay4A5@ssl> <214e5e9f99e73a1094433938b5e1dc0c@pi.att> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front Topicbox-Message-UUID: a734aa52-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon Dec 23 17:10:13 EST 2013, sl@9front.org wrote: > > There is value in a community. > > What remains of Plan 9 might be a better example of failing to seek > out community in order to preserve the value, which is sometimes > not clearly perceived by the interested few who show up at the party. isn't this a false dichotomy? rudeness doesn't preserve value. > Conversely, UNIX diverged from its original design philosophy and was > adopted by progressively larger communities, finally becoming something > of a global standard, where it still enjoys great popularity. > > What remains of UNIX is sometimes difficult to recognize. it's easy to point out past mistakes. do you think these were obvious at the time they were made? the relevance for me is i don't want to help repeat these mistakes. the ucb and system iii, and system v distributions intended to make the labs' distributions more useful. it's easy now to point out where mistakes were made. how do we guard against making the same ones ourselves? trying to guide 9atom along, i worry a lot about this. - erik