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>>How is it compared to Linux?
apples and galaxies.
they do different things. linux is a self-contained operating
system that can attach to a network. plan 9 really is a distributed system.
Linux now seems to attempt to track Posix closely, with all that that entails.
by contrast, although plan 9 has useful ansi/posix emulation environments --
and that's certainly convenient when importing or exporting Unix programs --
it's definitely not the most sensible way of using plan 9.
it isn't a `leaner unix'. indeed, if you approach it that way,
you will probably be disappointed.
plan 9 provides a number of components that can be put together on a network to form
one (secure, distributed) computing system; even an apparently `standalone'
plan 9 system at home can link itself smoothly to the name space --
and thus processors, devices and network interfaces -- of a bigger system.
although linux does very well -- the leanest and most effective
unix-like system on a PC -- in my experience, plan 9 easily is less demanding of hardware than
other general purpose operating systems on any given platform.
for instance, at work my terminal is a 386sx/16 with 4mbytes
with an ET4000 ISA graphics card and NE2000 card. i have a small slow
seagate IDE disc for booting & paging, but it doesn't page much.
at the moment this pathetic machine is running 30 processes
including the window system 8B=, seemail, `cpu' to the cpu server
samterm (to remote sam on the CPU server), a local 8B= window for commands,
dossrv (makes DOS file systems on disc & floppy visible in the plan 9 name space),
and supporting commands (eg, kernel protocol processes, exportfs exporting
the terminal's name space to the cpu server). (by the way, i can access
the terminal's diskette device and/or DOS file system transparently
from the cpu server, just as i access the terminal's keyboard, mouse and screen.)
here is a ps:
forsyth 1 0:00 0:00 40K Wait init
bootes 2 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme alarm
bootes 3 0:06 0:00 0K Wakeme ether0kproc
bootes 4 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme tcpack
bootes 5 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme tcpflow
bootes 7 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme ilack
forsyth 8 0:00 0:00 0K Idle pager
forsyth 9 0:08 0:25 352K Read 8B=
forsyth 13 0:01 0:02 48K Read cs
forsyth 17 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme floppy
forsyth 23 0:00 0:00 704K Read dossrv
forsyth 26 0:00 0:00 40K Read arpd
forsyth 28 0:00 0:00 0K Wakeme uart0
forsyth 36 0:00 0:01 196K Read 8B=
forsyth 38 0:00 0:01 196K Read 8B=
forsyth 47 0:00 0:00 132K Read samterm
forsyth 49 0:00 0:00 20K Read rx
forsyth 52 0:00 0:00 124K Read samterm
forsyth 53 0:00 0:01 124K Read samterm
forsyth 54 0:00 0:00 124K Read samterm
forsyth 55 0:00 0:00 124K Read samterm
forsyth 58 0:00 0:00 20K Read rx
forsyth 59 0:00 0:00 108K Read seemail
forsyth 65 0:00 0:00 28K Wait cpu
forsyth 66 0:00 0:01 332K Read exportfs
forsyth 67 0:00 0:00 332K Rendez exportfs
forsyth 68 0:00 0:00 332K Read exportfs
forsyth 70 0:00 0:00 104K Wait rc
forsyth 75 0:00 0:00 32K Read ps
is it paging frantically?
term% cat /dev/swap
374/416 memory 92/4000 swap
no: in fact the pager is currently idle. presumably it has turfed out
most of dossrv since i'm not using it. (the memory sizes above
can't just be added up: there's a lot of shared text & data there.)
now, you definitely don't want to compile much on this thing -- for one
thing it hasn't got a floating-point unit -- and it's certainly not
as snappy as a bigger 486 at home with more memory and a reasonable graphics card.
nevertheless: try getting an X server to run on a similar configuration
with several xterms, rlogins (inadequate substitute for `cpu'), a mail monitoring
window, and samterm. it's certainly true that you'll stand the best
chance of doing it with linux, though, compared (say) to solaris/486.
although i haven't made a complete study of linux,
i'd say the system interfaces in the plan 9 cpu/terminal kernel are simpler yet more general than
those in Linux; perhaps more importantly, the plan 9 kernel was
intended to be portable, and support multiprocessors from the start.
aside: there's currently a lot of ignorant hype in the media
about the brilliance of having a Hardware Abstraction Layer in making a certain
o/s portable, but it's really no big deal. like older portable operating systems,
plan 9's portability interface is a small collection of functions and
data structures. no fuss.
outside the kernel, linux -- reasonably enough for
a unix/posix clone -- simply uses all the freely available software
for Unix-like systems that anyone can be bothered to port. a lot
of that is Big and Complicated. by contrast, although many of the
older Unix commands are in Plan 9 at least in name,
Plan 9's commands are freshly written. (the few things left from the ancien
rC)gime -- notably `troff' -- have at least had a facelift.)
a lot of crufty crud has been left behind. after all, as andrew hume once put it:
``crud that isn't paged in is still crud''.
still, that's old stuff; worthy but dull.
the really interesting bits are the new things, including:
the protocol 9P that binds everything together
the file server, and its `dump' file system
per-process name space
union mounts
Unicode
user-level file servers
shared memory multiprocess servers, using lean (threadbare?) processes
cpu
the window system 8B=
Acme (is that named after the Acme Construction Co. in the Roadrunner cartoons?)
FAST C compilers; simpler C library interface, and
every compiler is a cross compiler
simple support for multiple target architectures
the concurrent programming language Alef
acid
for the administrator: a coherent approach to describing a network,
and best of all from my point of view, it hasn't got BIND.
if you want a fairly conventional X11/Unix environment on your PC, Linux
is a reasonable choice. Plan 9 has different aims.
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