From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:45:42 -0400 From: Don Ellis donls@michelob.wustl.edu Subject: keyboard accelerators Topicbox-Message-UUID: 0d10e658-eac8-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 Message-ID: <19950421164542.pmQbh1RczNZ5XOKTH7XisfHnnCy08s7a_yaFe8YtEzM@z> [Apologies for joining into the middle of a discussion - I just started lurking the list 4/18, so the earliest msg I see is dated 4/11, in the digest dated 4/19! So far, not near the traffic that DrWho gets! :-) ] By keyboard accelerators, I assume you mean keyboard shortcuts for common operations, such as "go to end of line" or "select the next word". I have used such shortcuts so heavily in MSWord that I have watched for them in any system level editor I use, and missed them sorely when absent. Using MSW on the Mac gives me a complete WintelPC numeric keypad with lots of neat actions. Most editors I have used only support the arrow keys, maybe (rarely) PgUp/PgDwn. Well-done Mac applications support the mouse, since it is totally assumed to be present. It may have become "standard" on the Wintel systems, but after using one for a few minutes, I begin to understand people's scepticism about mice! In applications I use often, I use mouse or keyboard depending on where my hand is when I want to perform a command. In those I use rarely, I like to have the expected keyboard shortcuts (Win3 seems to have not achieved much standardization yet, at least not within offerings from MicroSoft) and I do get brought up short when one of the really standard ones is not present, or is used in strange ways. I just started Quicken, for example, and the standard print command prints checks, not the report I just brought up on the screen, and it is not context-sensitive. I will definitely complain about that one, if it is not fixed in Q5! This reflects the main difference I see between Mac and Other: consistency. When I want to quit from the UNIX mailer I use at the office, an "x" is the normal save/quit and a "q" quits without saving. At home, with /bin/mail, the senses are reversed. If one of these is asserted to be a standard, why hasn't the other been fixed? (well, the system here at work WAS obsolete when it was procured by DOD in 1987!) The extended keyboard on the Mac has a delete-forward key which I have never had before - works great! MacOS hardware & software have a much shorter history than others, and standards have been rigidly enforced by the user community to an unprecedented level Don Ellis donls@michelob.wustl.edu Newbie/lurker extrordinaire![sp?]