From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:33:51 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz schwartz@galapagos.cse.psu.edu Subject: No subject Topicbox-Message-UUID: 10078ede-eac8-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-ID: <19950727223351.1bVS4E29UBq8mlPLZbiyCj225S5jU776G-AjJ8DDi_w@z> Rather than have everyone dig thru the majordumbo archives, I'll just post the messages since just before the 19th. That way external archive sites will get them too. Also, could everyone please check that their addresses are correct and not duplicated or otherwise confused? ------- >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 18 21:02:40 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34078>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:37:52 -0400 Received: from gw2.att.com ([192.20.239.134]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34076>; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:37:17 -0400 Received: from cbgbcs.cb.att.com by ig1.att.att.com id AA08953; Tue, 18 Jul 95 20:24:50 EDT Received: by cbgbcs.cb.att.com (5.0/EMS-1.1 Sol2) id AA27715; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:25:06 +0500 From: Lawrence.V.Cipriani@att.com Received: by cbgbcs.cb.att.com (5.0/EMS-1.1 Sol2) id AA27687; Tue, 18 Jul 1995 20:25:03 +0500 Message-Id: <9507190025.AA27687@cbgbcs.cb.att.com> Original-From: lvc@cbgbcs.cb.att.com To: 9fans Date: Tue, 18 Jul 1995 21:23:52 -0400 Subject: AT&T Plan 9 announcement Content-Type: text Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans AT&T ANNOUNCES *** AT&T today announced that Plan 9, a new computer operating system from AT&T Bell Laboratories, is now available for research and educational use. The Plan 9 operating system, named for the science-fiction cult movie "Plan 9 From Outer Space," was designed by the inventors of the UNIX system, a widely used operating system created at Bell Labs 25 years ago. "Plan 9 is not in competition with UNIX or Windows," said Paul Fillinich, marketing manager for AT&T Software Solutions. The Plan 9 system is based on the concept of distributed computing in a networked, client-server environment. The product, including source code, is available for $350. The full kit will be shipped with a CD-ROM, four diskettes and two manuals. A partial kit, containing only the manuals, may be ordered separately for $125. The contact number in the U.S. for information and orders is 800- 462-8146; elsewhere, +1-415-943-4076. -- Larry Cipriani, l.v.cipriani@att.com Ever feel like you're being watched ? -- You will. >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 03:43:15 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34076>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:10:22 -0400 Received: from octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au ([131.236.1.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34081>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:08:48 -0400 Received: (from cjsv@localhost) by octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA07265; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:07:47 +1000 Message-Id: <199507190707.RAA07265@octarine.cc.adfa.oz.au> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.1 12/2/94 Organization: Computer Science, University College, University of New South Wales, Canberra X-URI: http://www.cs.adfa.oz.au/people/cjsv.html From: Christopher.Vance@adfa.oz.au To: 9fans Subject: Re: free plan 9 trial In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 18 Jul 1995 16:18:35 -0400. <95Jul18.163015edt.34076@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 03:07:46 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans | The free version is available. Ftp to | plan9.att.com, log in as anonymous, and get the | files from /plan9/pcdist. The distrib.html | page now points to them. I tried booting disk1 on two 486s around here. One said /386/init: file does not exist panic: boot process dies: unknown (plus what I take to be a stack trace) A directory listing under MS-DOS indicates \386\init does exist. The other one said exception/interrupt 6 FLAGS=10092 TRAP=6 ECODE=0 PC=80107d84 (plus a register dump) I successfully booted the floppy image from the previous version on both machines, so I'm sad to see the new version fail so soon. Should I try verifying the disk image with a checksum? Or should I try a different brand PC? (I was still waiting for a local SparcStation 2 to become available so I can put the previous version up there. Perhaps I should continue to wait.) -- Christopher >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 06:55:20 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33973>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:11:55 -0400 Received: from goggins.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.32.13]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34028>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:08:41 -0400 Received: from bath.ac.uk (actually host ss1.bath.ac.uk) by goggins.bath.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Wed, 19 Jul 1995 11:03:28 +0100 To: 9fans Subject: plan9 disks in ftp.bath.ac.uk:/pub/plan9 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 06:04:45 -0400 From: Icarus Sparry Message-ID: <9507191104.aa09064@ss1.bath.ac.uk> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have put a copy of the plan9.att.com:/plan9/pcdist directory in ftp.bath.ac.uk:/pub/plan9, for anyone who has a faster route to us than the states. It is also available in the alex cache of alex.niss.ac.uk for UK academic sites. >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 13:12:09 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34085>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:11:03 -0400 Received: from crab.plan9.cs.su.oz.au ([129.78.96.3]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34080>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:09:53 -0400 From: dhog@plan9.cs.su.oz.au Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 12:46:26 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Booting a Sparcstation from disk Message-Id: <95Jul19.130953edt.34080@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans [Apologies if you've already seen this] I've got my SLC booting from disk. The command ss/home will set up a new boot disk (takes about 24 mins). Caveats: - boot disk must be scsi id 3 for the ROM monitor to boot from it - disk probably needs to have been formatted by sunos/solaris, which stores a lot of pointless information + a checksum in sector 0, which I have been leaving alone. If this becomes a problem, I can probably provide a "blank" sector 0 (there's a magic number, so it can't just be all zeros) - only V1 of the ROM monitor is supported. The ELC's are V2. I will probably fix this at a later date. Apparently a V0 exists also... P.S. You really don't want to know how it works! ;-) P.P.S. Danger! The other "home" scripts are unaware that the interface to disk/prep has changed... >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 17:33:02 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34154>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:32:51 -0400 Received: from relay3.UU.NET ([192.48.96.8]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34091>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:32:28 -0400 Received: from offramp.dsccc.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyzco07430; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:32:14 -0400 Received: by offramp.dsccc.com (5.67b/SMI-V1.8) id AA23307; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:33:54 -0500 Received: from onramp(192.245.102.129) by offramp via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma023265; Wed Jul 19 16:33:14 1995 Received: from spd.dsccc.com (spdmail.spd.dsccc.com [101.25.2.34]) by camelot.dsccc.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id QAA29826 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:32:52 -0500 Received: from sun001.spd.dsccc.com by spd.dsccc.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03351; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:34:51 -0500 From: mmarshal@spdmail.spd.dsccc.com (Mike Marshall) Message-Id: <9507192134.AA03351@spd.dsccc.com> Subject: Re: AT&T Plan 9 announcement To: 9fans Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:34:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9507190025.AA27687@cbgbcs.cb.att.com> from "Lawrence.V.Cipriani@att.com" at Jul 18, 95 09:23:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1023 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > AT&T ANNOUNCES *** AT&T today announced that Plan 9, a new > computer operating system from AT&T Bell Laboratories, is now > available for research and educational use. The Plan 9 operating > system, named for the science-fiction cult movie "Plan 9 From > Outer Space," was designed by the inventors of the UNIX system, a > widely used operating system created at Bell Labs 25 years ago. > "Plan 9 is not in competition with UNIX or Windows," said Paul > Fillinich, marketing manager for AT&T Software Solutions. The > Plan 9 system is based on the concept of distributed computing in > a networked, client-server environment. The product, including > source code, is available for $350. Does this mean that upon purchasing the "Full Kit" I will hold a "Source License for this product"... Does anyone have the Legal Speak as to what I can do with this "Source License"??? Mike mmarshal@spd.dsccc.com >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 19 18:29:37 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34152>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:29:27 -0400 Received: from relay1.UU.NET ([192.48.96.5]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34155>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:28:45 -0400 Received: from offramp.dsccc.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyzcr23675; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:27:23 -0400 Received: by offramp.dsccc.com (5.67b/SMI-V1.8) id AA25636; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:29:03 -0500 Received: from onramp(192.245.102.129) by offramp via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma025624; Wed Jul 19 17:28:21 1995 Received: from spd.dsccc.com (spdmail.spd.dsccc.com [101.25.2.34]) by camelot.dsccc.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) with SMTP id RAA02810 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:27:59 -0500 Received: from sun001.spd.dsccc.com by spd.dsccc.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA04716; Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:29:57 -0500 From: mmarshal@spdmail.spd.dsccc.com (Mike Marshall) Message-Id: <9507192229.AA04716@spd.dsccc.com> Subject: Re: floppies for ftp? To: 9fans Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:29:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: <9507181914.AA30577@nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov> from "James W. Williams" at Jul 18, 95 03:14:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 142 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans > > Any word on when the floppy disk images for the binary-only version will > be put up for ftp? Will there be a trial for Sparc??? Mike >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 20 17:58:09 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33977>; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 17:57:55 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34023>; Thu, 20 Jul 1995 17:57:35 -0400 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 07:57:06 +1000 Received: from suite.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA29753; Fri, 21 Jul 95 07:55:40 EST (4.1/Unixware) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by suite.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA25287; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 01:06:16 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: by sour.sw.oz.au id AA02178; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 01:04:50 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) Message-Id: <199507201504.AA02178@sour.sw.oz.au> Subject: aux/mouse: Unknown mouse type To: 9fans (Graverobbers from Outer Space!) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 11:04:48 -0400 Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oE>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 21 03:11:02 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34034>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 03:09:47 -0400 Received: from staff.cs.su.OZ.AU ([129.78.8.1]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34033>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 03:08:40 -0400 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by staff.cs.su.OZ.AU (mail from jeremy for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) with MHSnet (insertion MHSnet site: swallow.sw.oz.au); Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:07:53 +1000 Received: from sour.sw.oz.au by swallow.sw.oz.au with SMTP id AA06258; Fri, 21 Jul 95 17:07:27 EST (4.1/Unixware) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) Received: by sour.sw.oz.au id AA00204; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:07:21 +1000 (5.65c/1.34) (from jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au for 9fans@cse.psu.edu) From: jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) Message-Id: <199507210707.AA00204@sour.sw.oz.au> Subject: Mouse problems on the PC again To: 9fans (Graverobbers from Outer Space!) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 03:07:20 -0400 Organization: Softway Pty Ltd X-Face: '6U=%Tv\k1l-:?\$C[D@G 7(vl~w8&y}!f\bh#wL#n,TGKh>T.c7eT5-y)Hl'i;A1z$9?*lD.k}yqshddFb l[EC}c=;uc%x'}uh3E91p&oE>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Fri Jul 21 11:40:45 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34033>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:40:28 -0400 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.20.22]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34034>; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:38:33 -0400 Received: from blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.940318) id AA43879; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:37:30 +0200 Received: from black.lrw.uni-bremen.de by lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA11507; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:42:05 +0200 Received: by black.lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03852; Fri, 21 Jul 1995 17:40:09 +0200 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 1995 11:40:09 -0400 From: a82@blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de (Henner Gratz) Message-Id: <9507211540.AA03852@black.lrw.uni-bremen.de> To: plan9-fans@cs.psu.edu Content-Length: 1010 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello everybody! Now, after Plan9 is available for everyone, I plan to order my CD-ROM from AT&T. I want to install it on a 486/Pentium PC. Because I don't own such a beast at the moment, I will have to buy one. And here the problems start. On what main-boards, graphic-cards etc. Plan9 will run. The WWW-pages on plan9.att.com aren't very detailed. I have also read the lists spread in the 9fans mailing list, but they are from 1994 for the old distributions. So here's my question: Is there a list covering the new distribution? Thank you very much for any answers! Regards, Henner -- =============================================================================== Henner Gratz Email: a82@lrw.uni-bremen.de Leeuwarder Str. 16A Fax (at home): +49-(0)421-58 52 10 D-28259 Bremen Tel (at home): +49-(0)421-58 51 84 GERMANY =============================================================================== >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Mon Jul 24 08:51:06 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34047>; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:50:41 -0400 Received: from alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de ([134.102.20.22]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34041>; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:49:53 -0400 Received: from blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de by alf.zfn.uni-bremen.de (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.940318) id AA45113; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:49:11 +0200 Received: from black.lrw.uni-bremen.de by lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16594; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:53:41 +0200 Received: by black.lrw.uni-bremen.de (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07532; Mon, 24 Jul 1995 14:51:44 +0200 Date: Mon, 24 Jul 1995 08:51:44 -0400 From: a82@blue.lrw.uni-bremen.de (Henner Gratz) Message-Id: <9507241251.AA07532@black.lrw.uni-bremen.de> To: 9fans Content-Length: 800 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Hello again! Here I am again, looking for the right configuration... Has anybody tried to run Plan9 on a Gigabyte GA-586AT(/P256) board? The Bi-processor boards with the Neptun chip set used by the AT&T folks are nice, but the Trition boards are faster AND cheaper! Any experiences? Tschuess, Henner PS: I hope this will be the last question about the `right' configuration. -- =============================================================================== Henner Gratz Email: a82@lrw.uni-bremen.de Leeuwarder Str. 16A Fax (at home): +49-(0)421-58 52 10 D-28259 Bremen Tel (at home): +49-(0)421-58 51 84 GERMANY =============================================================================== >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Tue Jul 25 12:45:48 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34077>; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:44:29 -0400 Received: from cegelecproj.co.uk ([159.245.72.6]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34047>; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:43:55 -0400 Received: from vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (cerberus.cegelecproj.co.uk) by cegelecproj.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28738; Tue, 25 Jul 95 17:43:37 BST Received: from spirit.cegelecproj.co.uk (spirit.limbo.cegelecproj.co.uk) by vampire.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA05923; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:43:32 +0100 Received: by spirit.cegelecproj.co.uk (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01104; Tue, 25 Jul 1995 17:43:28 +0100 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 12:43:28 -0400 From: Steve_Kilbane@cegelecproj.co.uk (Steve_Kilbane) Message-Id: <9507251643.AA01104@spirit.cegelecproj.co.uk> X-Planation: X-Faces images can be viewed with the XFaces program To: 9fans Subject: 003056-014 VGA card supported? Content-Length: 619 X-Face: Iqsa(US9p?)Y^W+6Ff[Z]rM"uFE) lFDjag1e]\/#2 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I've been playing with the trial distribution floppies, trying to get the system to boot on an old Dell 316SX, here at work. I can get it as far as attempting to configure the VGA system, but of course the default /lib/vgadb doesn't have an entry for my machine. I've tried hacking vgadb and just adding in an entry for it as a straightforward 640x480, but it just hangs. Sigh. I've got the machine to the state where it can boot up and give me a shell, but there's no access to 8½, etc. So the question is, is there any way of getting it to support this card, or do I just give up on this particular machine? steve >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 16:00:44 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34099>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:56:20 -0400 Received: from noao.edu ([140.252.1.54]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34164>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:16:27 -0400 Received: from gemini.tuc.noao.edu by noao.edu (4.1/SAG-Noao.G102) id AA21757; Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:36:53 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao by gemini.tuc.noao.edu (4.1/SAG.sat.14) id AA17793; Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:36:52 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: by daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao (4.1/SAG.sun.8) id AA19352; Wed, 26 Jul 95 09:36:50 MST; for 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 12:36:50 -0400 From: rwolff@noao.edu (Richard Wolff) Message-Id: <9507261636.AA19352@daikon.tuc.noao.edu.noao> To: 9fans Subject: Installing on second disk Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans I have a Gateway PC (486/66) with two 400 MB (IDE) disk drives. I'd like to install plan9 on the second drive (hd1) but retain there a modest DOS partion (D:). If I install the 4 disk "trial" system using the orignal "prep", all goes well and I have a system I can boot from hd1, except that, should I run DOS/Windows again, the D: partition is gone (the partition table has been destroyed, presumably). It doesn't matter if I partition the disk with the D: partition at the start or end of the disk. On the other hand, if I try the same things using the new prep, prep complains with error 23: Not enough room for boot area Aside from the notion of moving most of what's on C: to D: and installing plan9 on C:, can anyone suggest what I'm doing wrong or what I might try? Richard >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 16:20:17 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34100>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:18:22 -0400 Received: from goonsquad.spies.com ([192.216.22.66]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34109>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 16:02:15 -0400 Received: by goonsquad.spies.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0sbC0q-00025bC; Wed, 26 Jul 95 12:21 PDT Message-Id: From: ahm@goonsquad.spies.com (Andreas Meyer) Subject: Got it loaded. Now what? To: 9fans (9fans) Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 15:20:59 -0400 Organization: The Internet Wiretap Content-Type: text Content-Length: 517 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Okay, so I've grabbed the PC distribution from plan9.att.com and seem to have it running reasonably well on my AT&T 6386/SX WGS. (Although, it refuses to load on my 386DX40 clone. It says it doesn't see my IDE drive?!). So, short of downloading the man pages _en masse_, how do I get more information? I've printed out most of the documents available on the Web page under Volume 2. Thanks! Andy -- Andreas Meyer, N2FYE Sustain. Endure. Evolve. ahm@goonsquad.spies.com http://www.spies.com/~ahm/ >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 18:48:20 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34104>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:46:23 -0400 Received: from galapagos.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.2.12]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34107>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:33:03 -0400 Received: by galapagos.cse.psu.edu id <12762>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:40:04 -0400 From: Scott Schwartz To: 9fans Message-Id: <95Jul26.174004edt.12762@galapagos.cse.psu.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 17:39:58 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Just out of curiosity, what sort of legal permission, if any, was required to get Bela Lugosi et al's picture on the first edition cdrom? >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 21:01:53 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <34127>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:00:28 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at ([129.27.150.3]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <34138>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 20:42:39 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (bri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA14661 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 00:16:00 +0200 Message-Id: <199507262216.AAA14661@blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at> To: 9fans Subject: first tries Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 18:15:59 -0400 From: Brian Ward Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Ok, so I tried to install the floppy distribution on one of my PCs today, and here's what my experiences were (roughly): 9 doesn't seem to want to talk to my Maxtor 7546A drive at all. This is a plain one-year-old 540MB IDE drive that works fine with linux, so there shouldn't be any problem with using non-BIOS-oriented I/O. More precisely, when I booted the first time, it said that it couldn't find my primary DOS partition, which sure isn't terribly informative, but at least "you will have to change your hardware configuration" was somewhere close to the point. After fiddling around with the disk and booting it to a shell, I found that there's no hint of a /dev/hd0disk, etc, even though #H had been bound. To make sure that I wasn't going totally nuts, I tried the same floppy on a variety of other IDE disks (which I can't use at moment because there's stuff on them). All of the other disks were recognized (/dev entries showing up, etc), so there's something particular with this one. I don't know if it's something with Maxtor as a vendor, because one of the other disks is also a Maxtor. So tomorrow I'll do some shuffling, to see if it installs ok on another disk. (I tried the disk on a few different controllers and computers.) So then to my "opinionated" comments, which may or may not mean anything to you: There were seemingly no diagnostics at all telling me if the bind #H failed. In fact, in cpurc, they're all > /dev/null >[2=1]ed out. I got rid of those and still didn't get anything. The same goes for the mounts after that, except that they actually say something when they fail -- they tell you the command failed (but don't say that they failed because the device didn't exist). A little more feedback from these commands would have been nice. The install program looks like the MS-DOS install program (which I grudgingly had to run for the first time ever today. more on this later.). Admittedly, I haven't gotten very far into it because of the above, but it's definitely not my definition of pretty. And about MS-DOS: I do hope this requirement can be dropped soon. I found setting up MS-DOS to be quite painful. I can understand the need for bootstrapping at first (linux and the "others" also had to do the same thing in the early days), but let's please not get too used to it. :-) In fact, the linux boot-loader should even be able to boot plan 9 if you dropped it enough hints on the floor. It's of course fun to play around a little with the mini-system on the boot disk. Maybe that's just me. Last and certainly not least: I (finally) got to see Plan 9 From Outer Space in a Viennese theater last Sunday. How very excellent! An experience no one should miss out on. >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Wed Jul 26 21:40:56 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45492>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:39:45 -0400 Received: from localhost by colossus.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <45491>; Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:33:07 -0400 To: 9fans Subject: Test message Cc: schwartz@daneel.cse.psu.edu X-uri: X-Work-Address: Department of Computer Science and Engineering 121A Pond Laboratory The Pennsylvania State University University Park, PA 16802 X-Work-Phone: +1 814 863 1142 (Voice) +1 814 865 3176 (FAX) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:10:38 -0400 From: Daniel R Ehrlich Message-Id: <95Jul26.213307edt.45491@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Some people have reported problems with the 9fans mailing list. I am trying to determine what's wrong. Please disregard this mail. -- Dan Ehrlich >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 07:39:09 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33979>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:38:09 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at ([129.27.150.3]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33964>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:37:47 -0400 Received: from blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (bri@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA14876 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:37:49 +0200 Message-Id: <199507271137.NAA14876@blah.math.tu-graz.ac.at> To: 9fans Subject: second try Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:37:49 -0400 From: Brian Ward Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Ok, so I tried on a different drive this morning and eventually got it to work. The following information may or may not be useful: I installed it on my notebook, which has a 340MB disk, 16MB RAM, and an i486dx4/100. Linux was installed on this machine, but there was a 32MB swap partition, so I had the bright idea to install the DOS and plan 9 partitions over that. I used one of my other linux boxen to prepare the floppy (had to replace the "prep" command on it), and proceeded. You don't need to have much of DOS at all on the disk; all you have to do is: - boot with 1st ms-dos disk and exit the setup program as soon as it starts - "fdisk" and make a tiny DOS partition (I used 4MB but it could be smaller, I'm sure) - computer will reboot when you exit fdisk (stupid hardware, stupid software) - do step 1 again (wince harder this time) - "format c: /s" - if you have linux installed on the disk, you need to do an fdisk /mbr (please see linux notes below!) - replace DOS trash-disk with plan 9 boot disk and type "b". Here's where I ran into trouble. The place on the disk I was planning to install plan 9 was in between my / and /usr linux partitions. The plan 9 boot disk booted and seemingly took the first partition on the disk (my /) to be the DOS partition and when I told it to install the plan 9 DOS files, it waltzed right over that. I suspected this when I rebooted and there was no plan9 directory on the DOS partition. I knew it when I tried to boot linux from floppy. So we now know that plan 9's install doesn't seem to know the right way to find the "primary DOS partition." The moral of this story is to back up everything on the disk beforehand even if it is on another partition, because plan 9 will zing it ruthlessly -- even though I installed using the "fixed" prep command, it still went ahead and zapped my /usr partition. I have a feeling that the fix was for multiple partitions directly after the DOS trash (which seemingly has to be the first on the disk) and not anything that may be after where you intend to put plan 9. I'll try to confirm this later. Ok, so now after / was gone, I just went ahead and put the DOS partition at the beginning of the disk (as I described above) and went ahead with the install. ("C'mon Bullwinkle.. that trick NEVER works.." "This time for sure, Rocky!") Ok, this time it did work. However: I couldn't get it to recognize the built-in PS/2 trackball or a serial Mouse Systems mouse. Finally, I grudgingly pulled the Logitech MouseMan out of my other Linux box, and that did work. I suppose I have to buy another MouseMan, anyway (they cost $65 here, you know.). It didn't do 640x480x8 vga right, but it does do monochrome ok, as it should. I'm not surprised by this because my notebook has a Cirrus 6440 chipset and that's still kind of a rare beast (although XFree86 3.1.1 supports it). All of this fiddling around meant a lot of rebooting and changing the plan9.ini file (through the plan 9 install program, probably a silly thing to do). When booting the install program, the kernel correctly says that I have a 2-slotted intel xxxxx PCMCIA chipset in the notebook, but when I put in my 3Com 3C589 and configure it in, it screws up and identifies it as a 1-slot Cirrus Logic controller. Oh well, I'll see about it later. It's really cool. In particular, acme feels great and is extremely well-done. I can't find my break key (tried plokta) - don't know if this is due to the smaller notebook keyboard or what. Anyway, it's an excellent job, but I'd definitely recommend getting another hard disk before installing. >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 08:32:33 1995 Received: by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu id <33985>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:31:53 -0400 Received: from plan9.att.com ([192.20.225.252]) by psuvax1.cse.psu.edu with SMTP id <33979>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:31:36 -0400 From: rob@plan9.att.com To: 9fans Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 08:31:11 -0400 Message-Id: <95Jul27.083136edt.33979@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu> Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans Those of you who received the first distribution were asked to mail plan.9@research.att.com with questions. We are turning off that mail alias; use this 9fans list as a first place for queries from now on. Thanks. >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 15:59:14 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45588>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:56:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Computer Science and Engineering, Penn State University From: ehrlich To: 9fans-outgoing@cse Subject: Test email Reply-to: ehrlich Versions: dmail 1.9d/makemail 2.3 Message-Id: <95Jul27.155644edt.45588@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:56:42 -0400 I have heard that folks are not receiving messages from 9fans@cse.psu.edu. If you are reading this, please reply and let me know. Thanks, Dan Ehrlich -- Dan Ehrlich - Systems Analyst - PSU Computer Science and Engineering "Universities should be safe havens where ruthless examination of realities will not be distorted by the aim to please or inhibited by the risk of displeasure." - Kingman Brewster 2.6 fingerprint = 5C 01 7F 57 B0 AB 68 72 04 23 B9 BD 27 AD 85 60 echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc >>From 9fans-outgoing-owner Thu Jul 27 18:23:30 1995 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45595>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:57:52 -0400 Received: by colossus.cse.psu.edu id <45594>; Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:57:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Organization: Computer Science and Engineering, Penn State University From: ehrlich To: 9fans Subject: Mailing list meltdown Versions: dmail 1.9d/makemail 2.3 Message-Id: <95Jul27.175736edt.45594@colossus.cse.psu.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:57:34 -0400 Sender: owner-9fans Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans It seems that sometime between 15:00 on July 18th and 09:45 on July 19th the file that holds the 9fans mailing list got truncated to zero bytes. I have restored the list as of the 18th and added anyone who subscribed since then. Sorry for the inconvienece. All messages are stored in the archive. So just send majorodomo@cse.psu.edu a message containing index 9fans for a current list. -- Dan Ehrlich -- Dan Ehrlich - Systems Analyst - PSU Computer Science and Engineering "Universities should be safe havens where ruthless examination of realities will not be distorted by the aim to please or inhibited by the risk of displeasure." - Kingman Brewster 2.6 fingerprint = 5C 01 7F 57 B0 AB 68 72 04 23 B9 BD 27 AD 85 60 echo '[q]sa[ln0=aln256%Pln256/snlbx]sb3135071790101768542287578439snlbxq'|dc