From: forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk forsyth@plan9.cs.york.ac.uk
Subject: `over'
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 18:11:29 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <19950816221129.DJiM_r1-LSj2XQx3FCAUDOMyQGi3LOlmIpMj9gRAick@z> (raw)
>>it is only with the benefit of hindsight and considerable effort
>>(forgetting such things as "hop over", "skip over", "jump over", "pass
>>over", etc.) that I can discern in the phrase "Plan 9 will install
>>over the second through last partitions" the idea that Plan 9 will
>>*DESTROY* my second through the last partitions -- so when it goes on
>>to say
oh god.
really, i have a lot of sympathy for you esp. owing to the problem with disk/prep;
i'm very sorry about any loss, and so on; i can tell you what plan 9 has, can, and might do to your
discs; BUT i really cannot agree that the Errata notes about installation
are not quite clear in the common dialects of English about the effect of using the old disk/prep
on a DOS disc with several DOS partitions.
no, i'm not having any of this.
let's see. (Compact Edition of the full Oxford English Dictionary; none of this CDROM stuff.)
i believe `over' is intended in the following sense:
II. In sense `on', `upon'
5. On the upper or outer surface of; upon: sometimes implying the notion of supported
or resting upon, sometimes (now more frequently) that of covering the surface.
6. To a position on the surface or top of, or so as to cover; upon (with verbs of motion).
7. a. (Position) on all parts of the surface of; everywhere on; here and there upon.
Often strengthened by `all', now esp. `all over'.
b. (Motion) from place to place on the surface of; all about; throughout.
Often `all over'.
c. Through every part of, all through. (Sometimes including the notion of
examination or consideration: cf. 4.)
...
13. From side to side of a surface or space; across, to the other side of
(a sea, river, boundary, etc. [disc partition!?]); from end to end of (a line), along.
and to my mind might even include:
8. Above in authority, rule or power; with sbs., as `king', `lord over';
`jurisdiction', `rule', `triumph', `victory over'; adjs. `victorious over';
vbs. `to reign', `rule', `triumph', `appoint' or `set' any one `over'.
9. Above or beyond in degree or quality, or action; in preference to; more than.
but no doubt you would have it thus:
14. fig. In transgression or violation of; in contravention of, contrary to. (Obs.)
It really is quite clear, and a proper use of the word `over': `install over' as in
`paper over'. Your `skip over' and `jump over' examples really prove the point: the skip or jump
*crosses the surface*, *`from side to side'* of the thing jumped or skipped over,
that is precisely why `over' is used in that phrase. that one ends up on the other side of the object is
a property of `skip' or `jump', not of `over'. that property is not shared by `cover', `paper',
`sweat', `place', ... or `install'. what happens when you `slide over' something?
what happens when you `cover over the cracks' (hello, Gates!)?
i mean, really.
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1995-08-16 22:11 forsyth [this message]
1995-08-16 22:39 `over' Bill
1995-08-17 12:11 `over' dhog
1995-08-17 15:40 `over' Berry
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