aux/depend

aux/depend

[Martin]

> We run one of the netlib sites.  Netlib is a library of
> free software, papers, and other useful stuff mostly
> of a mathematical nature.  Each directory in netlib
> contains a .depend file that lists what symbols are
> exported from each file in the directory and the 
> external symbols which that file references.

What brings up a related question.  I wonder why Plan 9 still
uses the special `ar'-format for object module libraries.  If
ordinary directories were used instead, there would be no need
to remember the syntax of `ar'-commands for maintaining libraries
and it would also simplify updating libraries with `mk'.

I considered the idea to use directories for object modules
instead of archives more than once under Unix (especially after
long fights with the shortcomings of the special rules for
updating libraries with `make' :-/).  Sometimes I wondered(*) why
so much special stuff was put into `make', instead of making
`ld'(**) recognize a directory as object module library.  Like
in an archive there could even be a `__.SYMDEF'-File in a
directory to speed up the search.

*: As so often, the answer might be `for historical reasons',
another answer might be that archives did use the disk space
more efficiently in the ancient days.
**: There is no need to modify `ld' internally to implement that.
Some time ago I wrote an awk-script to generate the file arguments
for `ld' based on the `nm'-output of the `.o'-files.  In that way
I circumvented the clumsy library update through `make'-rules.)

> Depend mirrors the nelib directory structure.  In each
> directory appears a file for each symbol exported by
> a program (as listed in .depend).  Reading one of these
> files yields the transitive closure of all the files
> needed to resolve that symbol.

> It's a way of giving someone what they asked for instead
> of the whole contents of the directory.

The mechanism described above looks very promising and powerful,
because it is more general than a special case for `ld'.

What I always missed under Unix are `true libraries for interpreted
languages'.  E.g., it would be nice if a number of (private or public)
`standard functions' for shell- or awk-scripts could be placed
into separate files and have all the required files automatically
included in scripts as they are finally executed.  A description of
the dependencies between the files, combined with a transitive
closure, both much like described above, would be necessary to
pull in exactly the required files from the library (but no more!).

To summarize: I think the idea behind "aux/depend" is well worth
to be considered in more detail, because it not only could help
to get rid of `ar'-archives and their special treatment in `mk'
and `ld', but would also help to have a general library features
available for all interpreted languages.

--Martin

aux/depend

[presotto]

I surely wouldn't mind seeing ar bite the dust.

aux/depend

[forsyth]

>>I screwed up.  It shouldn't have been on the release, i.e., its
>>usefulness is limited.

not a bit of it: it's always good to have more examples
of interesting or even curious uses of 9P servers.

aux/depend

[Jeremy]

What does aux/depend do?  It seems to be a filesystem which can synthesise
files based on rules, and generate tar files, but I couldn't get it to do
anything other than mirror a directory structure (no files).  There is no
mention in the man pages or in any other programs.

	J

aux/depend

[presotto]

I screwed up.  It shouldn't have been on the release, i.e., its
usefulness is limited.

We run one of the netlib sites.  Netlib is a library of
free software, papers, and other useful stuff mostly
of a mathematical nature.  Each directory in netlib
contains a .depend file that lists what symbols are
exported from each file in the directory and the 
external symbols which that file references.

Depend mirrors the nelib directory structure.  In each
directory appears a file for each symbol exported by
a program (as listed in .depend).  Reading one of these
files yields the transitive closure of all the files
needed to resolve that symbol.

It's a way of giving someone what they asked for instead
of the whole contents of the directory.


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What does aux/depend do?  It seems to be a filesystem which can synthesise
files based on rules, and generate tar files, but I couldn't get it to do
anything other than mirror a directory structure (no files).  There is no
mention in the man pages or in any other programs.

	J