Inferno

Inferno

[Dave]

Only if you manage to splice some of the source code into their genetic
material.

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Hmm. These wouldn't be the same lawyers who drew up the Plan 9
licensing agreement, would they? From my reading of the licensing
agreement, if my cat has kittens in the same room as my Plan 9
workstation the kittens belong to AT&T. =;-)

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:58:40 -0500, you wrote:

>Inferno is not a language. We are trying
>to get clearance from the lawayers to
>release some information.
>
>phil
>

inferno

[nathan]

I'm looking for a discussion of utilizations of inferno.  -We're just
beginning to get involved with it.  There don't seem to be any
newsgroups or mailing lists set up.  Is anyone here involved with
Inferno; any good/bad results?

Thanks,

Nathan

-- 
Nathan Solomon
Creative Director
-open eye syndicate-
http://www.openeye.com

inferno

[philw]

There is a mailing list. You can subscribe
by mailing the line

subscribe inferno

to majordomo@interstice.com

inferno

[Scott]

Inferno discussion is welcome here.  There's also an inferno mailing
list at interstice.com.  (As usual, subscription requests to 
inferno-request@interstice.com)

Inferno

[philw]

>> What is Inferno?
>
>Vaporware!

shipping to corporate customers.

Inferno

[Alex]

> What is Inferno?

Vaporware!

Inferno

[Hans-Peter]

> Sorry to be dumb... but what is inferno?  I guess I have
> to fing Lucent Tech. home page...

http://inferno.bell-labs.com/inferno/

-hp

Inferno

[Tommy]

Borja Marcos wrote:
> 
>         Hello,
> 
>         I have seen at the Lucent WWW pages that Inferno will be
> available for download for evaluation purposes. I have seen that
> there will be a versions for Unix (which?) Solaris, NT, Win95...
> are you planning to put a Plan 9 version also?

	Sorry to be dumb... but what is inferno?  I guess I have
to fing Lucent Tech. home page...

Inferno

[Borja]

	Hello,

	I have seen at the Lucent WWW pages that Inferno will be
available for download for evaluation purposes. I have seen that
there will be a versions for Unix (which?) Solaris, NT, Win95...
are you planning to put a Plan 9 version also? 

	Borja Marcos.
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Inferno

[Steve_Kilbane]

Juuuust out of curiosity, how much of Inferno is new stuff, rather
than new trademarks? For example, does Styx differ much from 9P?

Have you managed to get Charon(tm) in there yet, or is that a future project?

steve

Inferno

[Peter]

ralph muha wrote:
> 
> >Have a look at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/inferno/
> 
> geez, you guys are going for nothing less than
> total world domination...

Hey, can I install it on my toaster?? Or my microwave??
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Inferno

[dhog]

>geez, you guys are going for nothing less than
>total world domination...

They are clearly far more deserving than Bill Gates...

Inferno

[ralph]

>>geez, you guys are going for nothing less than
>>total world domination...
>we aim to please.

I think it's time for a re-release of 'The President's Analyst'

Inferno

[philw]

>geez, you guys are going for nothing less than
>total world domination...
we aim to please.

Inferno

[ralph]

>Have a look at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/inferno/

geez, you guys are going for nothing less than
total world domination...

r

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I see that now. There never has been any choice for me..." - T.B.

Inferno

[Rob]

Have a look at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/inferno/

Inferno

[Todd]

In article <199602262111.QAA10997@node5> you write:
> 
> We're busy porting Java to QNX, but we're looking for alternatives as well.
> Are any of those geeky details written down anywhere I could see them? :-)

For another JAVA alternative, see http://coriolan.amicus.com/penguin.html

 - todd
-- 
Todd C. Miller   Sysadmin--University of Colorado   Todd.Miller@cs.colorado.edu

Inferno

[Dan]

In article <96Feb22.111337est.78386@colossus.cse.psu.edu> you write:
>It consisted of dennis giving a 2 hour overview, me giving 2 hours
>of geeky details, and a few questions.  Not much of a discussion and
>definitely not the first public presentation.  However, it was the
>first that a San Jose Mercury reporter showed up for.

We're busy porting Java to QNX, but we're looking for alternatives as well.
Are any of those geeky details written down anywhere I could see them? :-)
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phone: (613) 591-0931 (voice)               Kanata, Ontario, Canada
       (613) 591-3579 (fax)                 K2M 1W8

Inferno

[Dan]

In article <9602220850.AA06195@symbionics.co.uk> you write:
>There's a very dodgy article which compares Plan 9 to Spring on page 
>120 of February's Byte. I already mailed the author and got a reply. 
>If anyone wants to see the reply, mail me.

Can I see the reply?


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Inferno

[Ishwar]

Please do send the reply from the author of Byte article on Plan9.
- Ishwar Rattan

Inferno

[Mark]

In article <9602220850.AA06195@symbionics.co.uk> you wrote:
: There's a very dodgy article which compares Plan 9 to Spring on page 
: 120 of February's Byte. I already mailed the author and got a reply. 
: If anyone wants to see the reply, mail me.

Please!

TIA,
Mark.

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Inferno

[Boyd]

rob demonstrating it to bill shannon -- that must have been fun :-)

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    > The article in the San Jose Mercury mentioned "the first public discussion
    > of Plan 9".
    
    Actually, I thought the "first public discussion of Plan 9" was when Rob was
    showing it to Bill Shannon (of Sun) on a teeny 386 laptop back at Winter
    Usenix '93 in San Diego and a bunch of us were all crowded around   :-)
    
    	- Greg
    
    
    
    
    

Inferno

[Berry]

>>>Greg Earle said:
 > > The article in the San Jose Mercury mentioned "the first public discussion
 > > of Plan 9".
 > 
 > Actually, I thought the "first public discussion of Plan 9" was when Rob was
 > showing it to Bill Shannon (of Sun) on a teeny 386 laptop back at Winter
 > Usenix '93 in San Diego and a bunch of us were all crowded around   :-)
 
Not even close.  As far as I know, the first formal presentation on plan 9 was 
at the London UKUUG conference in July of 1990 that Sunil Das organized.  
*That* was a fun gig...

  --berry

Berry Kercheval :: kerch@parc.xerox.com :: Xerox Palo Alto Research Center

Inferno

[Luther]

It's possible. My cat really likes Tom Duff's catclock program. I
can't, however, tell which she likes better--the binaries or the
source. Plan 9-Lives, with Morris the Cat as spokesman?

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 16:37:41 -0500, Dave Presotto, the P9 network guy,
wrote:
>Only if you manage to splice some of the source code into their genetic
>material.

>
>Hmm. These wouldn't be the same lawyers who drew up the Plan 9
>licensing agreement, would they? From my reading of the licensing
>agreement, if my cat has kittens in the same room as my Plan 9
>workstation the kittens belong to AT&T. =;-)
>
>On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:58:40 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>Inferno is not a language. We are trying
>>to get clearance from the lawayers to
>>release some information.
>>
>>phil
>>
>
>
>

Inferno

[philw]

>Hmm. These wouldn't be the same lawyers who drew up the Plan 9
>licensing agreement, would they? From my reading of the licensing
>agreement, if my cat has kittens in the same room as my Plan 9
>workstation the kittens belong to AT&T. =;-)
>
>On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:58:40 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>Inferno is not a language. We are trying
>>to get clearance from the lawayers to
>>release some information.
>>
>>phil
>>
You owe me one cat ... ship to Bell Labs.
phil

Inferno

[John]

sounds like they must be.  but in all fairness, the computerworld article
said they have problems with the SEC and the formation of Lucent
Technologies, which the Labs will become part of. 

but the fact that Inferno is not a language is obviously missed in the
computerworld article, and in the comments made there.  

i would guess that Inferno wont be competing with Java, but maybe with
Netscape and purveyors of Java derivatives.


> Hmm. These wouldn't be the same lawyers who drew up the Plan 9
> licensing agreement, would they? From my reading of the licensing
> agreement, if my cat has kittens in the same room as my Plan 9
> workstation the kittens belong to AT&T. =;-)

> >Inferno is not a language. We are trying
> >to get clearance from the lawayers to
> >release some information.
> >
> >phil
> >
> 
> 

Inferno

[Greg]

> The article in the San Jose Mercury mentioned "the first public discussion
> of Plan 9".

Actually, I thought the "first public discussion of Plan 9" was when Rob was
showing it to Bill Shannon (of Sun) on a teeny 386 laptop back at Winter
Usenix '93 in San Diego and a bunch of us were all crowded around   :-)

	- Greg

Inferno

[Luther]

Hmm. These wouldn't be the same lawyers who drew up the Plan 9
licensing agreement, would they? From my reading of the licensing
agreement, if my cat has kittens in the same room as my Plan 9
workstation the kittens belong to AT&T. =;-)

On Thu, 22 Feb 1996 14:58:40 -0500, you wrote:

>Inferno is not a language. We are trying
>to get clearance from the lawayers to
>release some information.
>
>phil
>

Inferno

[Kevin]

could you point me at a non-paer source of info?

	ksh

Inferno

[philw]

Inferno is not a language. We are trying
to get clearance from the lawayers to
release some information.

phil

Inferno

[John]

yea, all it says is that Dennis Ritchie mentioned it at UniForum, and that
it will be a language to compete with Java.  

but, when will we get a peak at it?  :-)

> Check out the February 19, 1996 issue of Computerworld. There's an
> article on Inferno, an interesting product being developed by our Plan
> 9 friends.
> 

Inferno

[Nigel]

> Oh dear, I'm such a boofhead, I sent a reply to the list rather than the
> original sender. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry sorry.
> 
> 
So? I didn't notice that you sent it to the list, so it's all out 
there now!! Oh I feel silly.
Nigel Roles

Inferno

[Nigel]

 mail me the reply. thanks.
> 
>
It follows. I'm doing good business on this one.

Did you manage to put the Diamond Stealth changes in? I had a quick
look in the .rc and looked as if Sid32 was in as an option, but not
applied.

BYTE STUFF >>>

I quoted keyfs as an example to illustrate how user level
filesystems provide precisely the functionality of a distributed
object oriented operating system. I pointed out that Plan 9
applications do not use delimited streams to communicate, but
read/write/open/close/create/delete of files, which is easily
understood by any programmer, and supported by all programming
languages. He replied

"Thanks for that information. I had been unable to verify information
about Plan 9 directly with Bell Labs due to time constraints and was
working from memory. I did confirm this information with a computer
science professor who was working with Plan 9, but I may have
misunderstood."

I take that as "yes, I didn't know what I was talking about but, hell,
I'm a features editor".


Nigel Roles

Inferno

[Steve_Kilbane]

So....no papers available at the moment, then? :-)

Inferno

[Dave]

It consisted of dennis giving a 2 hour overview, me giving 2 hours
of geeky details, and a few questions.  Not much of a discussion and
definitely not the first public presentation.  However, it was the
first that a San Jose Mercury reporter showed up for.

Inferno

[jim]

Oh dear, I'm such a boofhead, I sent a reply to the list rather than the
original sender. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry sorry.

BTW, the March Byte has yet another PLan 9 article, this time by the person
in AT&T in charge of marketing it.

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mail me the reply. thanks.

Inferno

[jim]

mail me the reply. thanks.

Inferno

[steve]

The article in the San Jose Mercury mentioned "the first public discussion
of Plan 9". Was it a panel discussion, or what?

Inferno

[Oliver]

> 
> There's a very dodgy article which compares Plan 9 to Spring on page 
> 120 of February's Byte. I already mailed the author and got a reply. 
> If anyone wants to see the reply, mail me.
Me. Thanks.

Gruesse,

        Oliver Korfmacher (okorf@netcs.com, whois OK11
                        URL: http://www.netcs.com/PEOPLE/okorf.html)

> 
> > There was an article in the San Jose Mercury last week. A current URL is
> > http://www.sjmercury.com/business/java214.htm. It's a newspaper so that
> > may disappear soon.
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> > article on Inferno, an interesting product being developed by our Plan
> > 9 friends.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> 

Inferno

[Nigel]

There's a very dodgy article which compares Plan 9 to Spring on page 
120 of February's Byte. I already mailed the author and got a reply. 
If anyone wants to see the reply, mail me.

> There was an article in the San Jose Mercury last week. A current URL is
> http://www.sjmercury.com/business/java214.htm. It's a newspaper so that
> may disappear soon.
> 
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> Check out the February 19, 1996 issue of Computerworld. There's an
> article on Inferno, an interesting product being developed by our Plan
> 9 friends.
> 
> 
> 
> 
Nigel Roles

Inferno

[jim]

There was an article in the San Jose Mercury last week. A current URL is
http://www.sjmercury.com/business/java214.htm. It's a newspaper so that
may disappear soon.

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Check out the February 19, 1996 issue of Computerworld. There's an
article on Inferno, an interesting product being developed by our Plan
9 friends.

Inferno

[Luther]

Check out the February 19, 1996 issue of Computerworld. There's an
article on Inferno, an interesting product being developed by our Plan
9 friends.