From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 10:11:49 +0200 From: Boyd Roberts boyd@france3.fr Subject: [9fans] Re: Anyone still running plan9? Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5fcadb42-eac8-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 Message-ID: <19970827081149.qy3hlbFMbNXwWtRWwSD7tBRHabkB3TEaP1RHtl4SkDM@z> From: Brandon Black It really irks me a little that so many people want *nix ports of Plan 9's window manager, or editor, etc... but nobody wants to take the really great ideas. WHy won't somebody take things like the namespacing stuff, the 9P and IL protocols, the fileserver/cpuserver/terminal concepts... i would have loved to have put 9p into ultrix several years ago, but decided that it was just not worth the pain. anyone who's keen on retrofitting cool stuff into modern unix kernels either a) hasn't seen one, b) doesn't understand the problem, or c) has too much time on their hands (cue denis leary). maybe all three. btw: i class that ghastly mess, known as linux, as a 'modern unix kernel'. you may have the code to it, but have you actually read it? bbtw: ultrix supported nfs mounts by mortals, so i decided to implement ftpfs with nfs. it just wasn't worth the effort. i wound up with a sort of neat toy, but useless. i spent several weeks on it, much of it wasted trying to understand why nfs did what it did, trying to turn it into some sort of reliable tool. i was no stranger to nfs, having ported it back in '86. but how it actually behaved was pretty sad.