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From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: secret stuff
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:22:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1cf9c957b886644e2dcfaa7fc68055bf@plan9.bell-labs.com> (raw)

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Of course not.  All systems are crackable. I didn't see anyone say that
his won't be.  The only question is how hard.

I haven't heard enough about Miller's system to say how hard.  So far
all I've heard is that he wants to put secstore on a smart card.

You've been building strawmen and burning them down.  You may be right
but without more about the system, I have no idea.  Why are you so
angry?

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From: Jim Choate <ravage@ssz.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: [9fans] Re: secret stuff
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:19:39 -0500 (CDT)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1020616091658.1158A-100000@einstein.ssz.com>



On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:

> I'll wait till miller says something.  If you
> design his system for him to be crackable, then
> you're guaranteed to be right.

Nobody designed the system to be crackable, but we have a 2nd Law of
Thermodynamics to contend with. There is no such thing as a uncrackable
system.

It isn't a question of 'right', it isn't a pissing contest. It's just a
question of physics. That's the problem with this list, too many people
worrying about pissing rights and not the facts. If 'miller' says so it
must be so...Ever hear the one about a plea to authority and the liklihood
they are correct? Nah, didn't think so.


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             reply	other threads:[~2002-06-16 14:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-16 14:22 presotto [this message]
2002-06-16 15:59 ` Jim Choate
2002-06-17  9:19   ` Don
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-17 11:33 Richard Miller
2002-06-17  2:21 David Gordon Hogan
     [not found] <20020616160013.24019.43455.Mailman@psuvax1.cse.psu.edu>
2002-06-16 23:52 ` Andrew Simmons
2002-06-17  0:29   ` Jim Choate
2002-06-17  1:46 ` Andrew Simmons
2002-06-17  2:11   ` Jim Choate
2002-06-17  1:40     ` Sam
2002-06-17  2:43       ` ggm
2002-06-16 22:27 Russ Cox
2002-06-17  1:58 ` Jim Choate
2002-06-16 19:05 Richard Miller
2002-06-16 19:51 ` Jim Choate
2002-06-16 14:08 presotto
2002-06-16 14:19 ` Jim Choate
2002-06-16 23:08   ` Dan Cross
2002-06-17  0:26     ` Jim Choate
2002-06-17 17:34       ` Dan Cross
2002-06-18  9:31         ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2002-06-16  3:58 presotto
2002-06-16  5:10 ` Jim Choate
2002-06-15 16:44 [9fans] " presotto
2002-06-15 17:07 ` [9fans] " Jim Choate
2002-06-14  8:02 [9fans] " Richard Miller
2002-06-16  0:49 ` [9fans] " Jim Choate

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