From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <1cf9c957b886644e2dcfaa7fc68055bf@plan9.bell-labs.com> From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: secret stuff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-mfwxwiojvhvgyswejrhnsgimfl" Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:22:44 -0400 Topicbox-Message-UUID: af56ab8a-eaca-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-mfwxwiojvhvgyswejrhnsgimfl Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Of course not. All systems are crackable. I didn't see anyone say that his won't be. The only question is how hard. I haven't heard enough about Miller's system to say how hard. So far all I've heard is that he wants to put secstore on a smart card. You've been building strawmen and burning them down. You may be right but without more about the system, I have no idea. Why are you so angry? --upas-mfwxwiojvhvgyswejrhnsgimfl Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Jun 16 10:16:16 EDT 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by plan9; Sun Jun 16 10:16:15 EDT 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.18.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 840F019ABB; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from einstein.ssz.com (unknown [207.200.56.4]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 03C3F19ABF for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (ravage@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id JAA20982 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:19:39 -0500 From: Jim Choate To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <605327246d8b6ebe20a94f98d50f90d2@plan9.bell-labs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [9fans] Re: secret stuff Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 09:19:39 -0500 (CDT) On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > I'll wait till miller says something. If you > design his system for him to be crackable, then > you're guaranteed to be right. Nobody designed the system to be crackable, but we have a 2nd Law of Thermodynamics to contend with. There is no such thing as a uncrackable system. It isn't a question of 'right', it isn't a pissing contest. It's just a question of physics. That's the problem with this list, too many people worrying about pissing rights and not the facts. If 'miller' says so it must be so...Ever hear the one about a plea to authority and the liklihood they are correct? Nah, didn't think so. -- ____________________________________________________________________ When I die, I would like to be born again as me. Hugh Hefner ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com jchoate@open-forge.org www.open-forge.org -------------------------------------------------------------------- --upas-mfwxwiojvhvgyswejrhnsgimfl--