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From: andrey mirtchovski <mirtchov@cpsc.ucalgary.ca>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] grid computing -- high performance?
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:13:38 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1db4afbd7d170a8ef1b8d50719e35f72@plan9.ucalgary.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.58.0409240908590.15930@malasada.lava.net>

> I know that people experiment with plan 9 for grid computing,
> since the operating system is well suited for it.  I was wondering
> if it is used for actual high performance work?
> 

It is a common misconception that Grid Computing == HPC, This is not
the case by a _very_ long shot.  The problems Grid people are trying
to solve are of a much more general distributed nature -- how to get
computer A to utilize services available on computer B.

Plan 9's distributed design is what makes it so much better as a
platform than any grid middleware based on legacy UNIX and UNIX-like
OS's.  Inferno solves the same problem somewhat differently, but it
gives you the ability to run on those legacy systems, which is the
hurdle Plan 9 seems to run most often against.

What you're looking for is an answer to the question 'how does Plan 9
do on clusters?'.  Well, it hasn't been tested thoroughly on sizes
which most HPC people would find usable (the number of nodes Ron
frequently mentions) and the fact that 8c consistently generates
slower code than gcc by about 20% isn't much help either.  Apocryphal
evidence suggests that it has been tried on 200+ CPUs on Tera systems,
perhaps others may elaborate on the results from that exercise.  

The benefits you get from Plan 9 on the system administration side may
be compelling for some.

andrey



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-09-24 22:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-06 19:43 [9fans] 3D glenda competition andrey mirtchovski
2004-09-07 14:17 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-09-16 17:01 ` Dave Lukes
2004-09-16 22:57   ` Jack Johnson
2004-09-22 21:53     ` n2 deep
2004-09-23 13:09       ` Jason Gurtz
2004-09-23 20:13         ` [9fans] alef post mortem? Tim Newsham
2004-09-23 20:58           ` Russ Cox
2004-09-24  1:00             ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-09-24  5:24             ` Martin C.Atkins
2004-09-24  5:39               ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-09-24  1:13           ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-09-24 19:16             ` [9fans] grid computing -- high performance? Tim Newsham
2004-09-24 19:25               ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-09-24 19:45                 ` Tim Newsham
2004-09-24 20:39                   ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-09-24 21:38                   ` geoff
2004-09-25  2:54                     ` boyd, rounin
2004-09-25  5:56                       ` Bruce Ellis
2004-09-25 14:01                         ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-09-24 19:32               ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2004-09-24 19:47                 ` rog
2004-09-24 19:35               ` Christian Grothaus
2004-09-24 22:14                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-09-24 20:23               ` jmk
2004-09-24 21:39                 ` Tim Newsham
2004-09-24 22:14                   ` jmk
2004-09-24 22:13               ` andrey mirtchovski [this message]
2004-09-24 22:52                 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-09-24 23:11                   ` geoff
2004-09-27 13:51                     ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-09-27 18:45                       ` geoff
2004-09-27 18:59                         ` boyd, rounin
2004-09-25  2:47               ` boyd, rounin

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