From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:57:46 -0400 From: /usr/rsc/lib/from.eecs@plan9.bell-labs.com /usr/rsc/lib/from.eecs@plan9.bell-labs.com Subject: [9fans] My view of Plan 9 and it's future Topicbox-Message-UUID: ac0f035c-eac8-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 Message-ID: <20000514035746.UzJgNqqGgoPY-cNF8DVIWcLY-qPu_u7K-Xv1Z3eiYHk@z> [Disclaimer: despite the occasional email from Plan 9 servers, I don't speak for anyone but myself; in particular, I'm not one of the day-to-day Bell Labs guys. I just play there when I'm not in school.] Perhaps I have been too subtle. Step back for a second, and look at this discussion. You are railing against a license that was written in 1995. The Internet hadn't taken off, Eric Raymond hadn't even started to think about writing fetchmail, Linux was not much more than a toy, and companies giving large pieces of software away for free was not as socially blest as it is today. In 1995, AT&T was simply not ready or willing to give things away for free. $350 is orders of magnitude cheaper than what it cost to get a UNIX license. You observe correctly that such a price does put it out of the reach of most hobbyists, but it was a big step forward, and better than not releasing anything. There was never any intention of making money off the distribution; there are enormously bigger cash sources than the handful of people who bought the Plan 9 CD before it went out of print. If there was an intention of making money off it, it wouldn't have been given away to universities in 1992. It was and is a research system, and while commercial systems have been derived from it, the 1995 distribution and the upcoming one are about releasing a research system, not selling an operating system. The primary goal of the Plan 9 developers over the last decade has been to construct a system that is useful and pleasant to use. They've done a good job. Making money off of the sale of Plan 9 is just not a goal. If the developers had their way, I'd bet Plan 9 would have been given away for free in 1995. They want to see the system used outside Bell Labs as much as, if not more than, anyone else. I don't know what's in the works as far as a license, but you'd be very wrong to assume that the plan is to reuse the 1995 license and price tag. Two years ago Rob wrote here that while details were sketchy (and might still be sketchy for all I know) a release would likely be over the web and free for non-commercial use, and he hasn't reneged on that vision. Continued haranguing against the 1995 license terms is silly, as is debating what the next license ``should be''. If, when the distribution happens, you find the license unacceptable, then by all means go off and start your own open source OS with the Plan 9 ideas. But until then, let's have a little patience and just wait and see what happens. Russ