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From: "James A. Robinson" <jim.robinson@stanford.edu>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Gecko based web browser
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:16:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200007200116.VAA23739@cse.psu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Message from sah@borf.com  of "Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:52:45 EDT."References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10007191849400.387-100000@linux.borf.com>  <Pine.LNX.4.10.10007191849400.387-100000@linux.borf.com>

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And who wants to 'catch up' anyway? =) I liked Linux back in 1992, when
I could actually understand the various components and how they worked
together. Now I look at the mess they've made of configuring xdm and I
get very frustrated.

I think the idea of authoring an n-part web browser would be fun,
and it would let people explore interesting concepts along the way.
Earlier someone said the usefulness of an fs-type web retrievel engine
was limited. I can appreciate the problems that might occur when dealing
with unusual status codes or SSL or HTTP Auth.  But the idea of building
an engine that could automatically give you a proxy system or could
easily be hooked into different browsers is still interesting to me.

I do agree that the hard part is parsing/displaying the html, but it would
still be useful to have a retrieval mechanism that I could use from the
command line.  In their latest book, K&P wrote about a stock-ticker they
grabbed off of Yahoo. They wrote a csv parser library to handle decoding
and displaying the html they grabbed off the url. I think it would be
cool to be able to just do something like

	#!/bin/rc
	echo 'http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=lu&d=v1' > /mnt/web/new/get
	cat /mnt/web/new/data | awk '{...}'

and run it to get

	LU, 64½, +2.28%, 11,183,600

or whatever.  It's a little more direct than a multi-stage approach of
running wget, putting the results in a temp file, parsing, and cleaning
up.  You don't worry about the retrieval part, it just works. I just
happen to think that might be leveraged by other tools as well.


> of course, if we never rewrite anything from scratch...how will we ever
> find out what we did wrong, the first time?
> 
> Rewriting apps isn't simply an exercise in futility.  It provides the
> opportunity to incorporate new concepts, sans hacking old code.
> 
> 
> On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Andrey Mirtchovski wrote:
> 
> > "Douglas A. Gwyn" wrote:
> > 
> > > For Chrissakes, if you insist on rolling all your own software you'll
> > > never catch up.  Wouldn't it be better to have a functional Web
> > > browser on your preferred development platform than to have to keep
> > > switching platforms every time you need to access the Web?


  reply	other threads:[~2000-07-20  1:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-07-18 19:03 Stephen Harris
2000-07-18 19:17 ` Andrey Mirtchovski
2000-07-18 23:48   ` Randolph Fritz
2000-07-19  5:40     ` Randolph Fritz
2000-07-19  9:26   ` Michael Dingler
2000-07-19 15:22   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2000-07-19 16:28     ` Andrey Mirtchovski
2000-07-19 16:47       ` Randolph Fritz
2000-07-19 22:52       ` sah
2000-07-20  1:16         ` James A. Robinson [this message]
2000-07-20  3:08         ` Boyd Roberts
2000-07-26  8:42     ` Ralph Corderoy
2000-07-19  9:27 ` Christopher Browne
2000-07-19 15:24   ` Andy Newman
2000-07-18 20:23 miller
2000-07-18 22:07 ` Randolph Fritz
2000-07-18 22:33 rob pike
2000-07-18 22:59 ` Howard Trickey
2000-07-21  8:34 ` Alt
2000-07-25 15:07   ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2000-07-18 23:02 forsyth
2000-07-18 22:30 ` Frank Gleason
2000-07-19  0:17   ` Randolph Fritz
2000-07-19  0:01     ` Frank Gleason
2000-07-19  1:02 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2000-07-19 11:45 ` Theo Honohan
2000-07-19  7:18 forsyth
2000-07-19  7:43 ` Lucio De Re
2000-07-19  7:58 ` Randolph Fritz
2000-07-19 15:23 ` Jonathan Sergent
2000-07-20  1:41 rob pike
2000-07-20  8:34 ` George Coulouris
2000-07-20  4:05 James A. Robinson
2000-07-26 17:43 miller
2000-07-26 17:50 ` James G. Stallings II
2000-07-27  7:43   ` Matt
2000-07-27  7:54     ` Lucio De Re
2000-07-27 17:28       ` Matt

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