From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <002301bffa31$e93fd780$47436fca@nova> From: "Gu Qin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: Subject: [9fans] The IPv6 in Plan9 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:24:44 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFFA74.F612F0D0" Topicbox-Message-UUID: ee0cad18-eac8-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFFA74.F612F0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 V2UgZGlkbid0IHNlZSBhbnkgaXNzdWUgaW4gcGxhbjkuIEFuZCB0aGUgbmV0d29ya2luZyBiYXNl ICBhbGwgYXJlIA0KSVB2NC4gV2hlbiB3aWxsIGl0IHVwZGF0ZSB0byBJUHY2IGZvciBhbGwgbmV0 d29ya2luZz8NCg0KQW5kIFdpbGwgUGxhbjkgYWRkIG1vcmUgYWR2YW5jZSBmZWF0dXJlcyB0byBJ UHY2LiBMaWtlIElQc2VjIGV0Yy4NCg0KV2FpdCBNci5Sb2IgUGlrZSdzIHJlcGx5Lg0KDQpHdVFp bg0K ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFFA74.F612F0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PCFET0NUWVBFIEhUTUwgUFVCTElDICItLy9XM0MvL0RURCBIVE1MIDQuMCBUcmFuc2l0aW9uYWwv L0VOIj4NCjxIVE1MPjxIRUFEPg0KPE1FVEEgY29udGVudD0idGV4dC9odG1sOyBjaGFyc2V0PWdi MjMxMiIgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj1Db250ZW50LVR5cGU+DQo8TUVUQSBjb250ZW50PSJNU0hUTUwgNS4w MC4yOTIwLjAiIG5hbWU9R0VORVJBVE9SPg0KPFNUWUxFPjwvU1RZTEU+DQo8L0hFQUQ+DQo8Qk9E WSBiZ0NvbG9yPSNmZmZmZmY+DQo8RElWPjxGT05UIHNpemU9Mj5XZSBkaWRuJ3Qgc2VlIGFueSBp c3N1ZSBpbiBwbGFuOS4gQW5kIHRoZSBuZXR3b3JraW5nIA0KYmFzZSZuYnNwOyBhbGwgYXJlIDwv Rk9OVD48L0RJVj4NCjxESVY+PEZPTlQgc2l6ZT0yPklQdjQuIFdoZW4gd2lsbCBpdCB1cGRhdGUg dG8gSVB2NiBmb3IgYWxsIA0KbmV0d29ya2luZz88L0ZPTlQ+PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPiZuYnNwOzwv RElWPg0KPERJVj48Rk9OVCBzaXplPTI+QW5kJm5ic3A7V2lsbCBQbGFuOSZuYnNwO2FkZCBtb3Jl IGFkdmFuY2UmbmJzcDtmZWF0dXJlcyB0byANCklQdjYuIExpa2UgSVBzZWMgZXRjLjwvRk9OVD48 L0RJVj4NCjxESVY+Jm5ic3A7PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPjxGT05UIHNpemU9Mj5XYWl0IE1yLlJvYiBQ aWtlJ3MgcmVwbHkuPC9GT05UPjwvRElWPg0KPERJVj4mbmJzcDs8L0RJVj4NCjxESVY+PEZPTlQg c2l6ZT0yPkd1UWluPC9GT05UPjwvRElWPjwvQk9EWT48L0hUTUw+DQo= ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFFA74.F612F0D0-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <000b01bffa33$f5485e60$03c684c3@psychobasketcase.org> From: "Boyd Roberts" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <002301bffa31$e93fd780$47436fca@nova> Subject: Re: [9fans] The IPv6 in Plan9 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:39:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFFA44.B8635160" Topicbox-Message-UUID: ee147d9a-eac8-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFFA44.B8635160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ipv6? can you say 'complete disaster' or 'unmitigated catastrophy? -- Boyd Roberts boyd@psycho-basket-case.org ``I come over here to kill them cocksuckers, not work for 'em'' -- Moon Dog, _Pettibone's Law_, John Keene ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFFA44.B8635160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

ipv6? can you say 'complete disaster' or = 'unmitigated=20 catastrophy?

--
Boyd=20 Roberts = &= nbsp; =20 boyd@psycho-basket-case.org

``I come over here to kill them cocksuckers, not = work=20 for 'em''

-- Moon Dog, = _Pettibone's Law_, John Keene

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFFA44.B8635160-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <200007301740.NAA27849@valiant.cnchost.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] The IPv6 in Plan9 FROM: pip@namaste.stricca.org Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 17:45:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-zicgvthgmcsiaakpwrgiiqyyad" Topicbox-Message-UUID: ee340d68-eac8-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-zicgvthgmcsiaakpwrgiiqyyad Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > We didn't see any issue in plan9. And the networking base > all are IPv4 Plan 9 uses IPv6 format addresses by default, though there is no IPv6 protocol stack for handling IPng traffic. There are a lot of hooks in place for the soul that wishes to add such support, it seems. It looks like such an effort would drop in rather nicely. See ip (2) for more info. - pip --upas-zicgvthgmcsiaakpwrgiiqyyad Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from cse.psu.edu (claven.cse.psu.edu [130.203.3.50]) by zealous.cnchost.com id KAA02739; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:24:25 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.15] Errors-To: Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25084; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:24:17 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25064 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:24:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp3.sz.js.cn ([202.102.14.147]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25057 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nova ([202.111.67.71]) by smtp3.sz.js.cn (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id FYIL4L01.Y4S; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:19:33 +0800 Message-ID: <002301bffa31$e93fd780$47436fca@nova> From: "Gu Qin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: Subject: [9fans] The IPv6 in Plan9 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:24:44 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFFA74.F612F0D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFFA74.F612F0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 V2UgZGlkbid0IHNlZSBhbnkgaXNzdWUgaW4gcGxhbjkuIEFuZCB0aGUgbmV0d29ya2luZyBiYXNl ICBhbGwgYXJlIA0KSVB2NC4gV2hlbiB3aWxsIGl0IHVwZGF0ZSB0byBJUHY2IGZvciBhbGwgbmV0 d29ya2luZz8NCg0KQW5kIFdpbGwgUGxhbjkgYWRkIG1vcmUgYWR2YW5jZSBmZWF0dXJlcyB0byBJ UHY2LiBMaWtlIElQc2VjIGV0Yy4NCg0KV2FpdCBNci5Sb2IgUGlrZSdzIHJlcGx5Lg0KDQpHdVFp bg0K ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFFA74.F612F0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PCFET0NUWVBFIEhUTUwgUFVCTElDICItLy9XM0MvL0RURCBIVE1MIDQuMCBUcmFuc2l0aW9uYWwv L0VOIj4NCjxIVE1MPjxIRUFEPg0KPE1FVEEgY29udGVudD0idGV4dC9odG1sOyBjaGFyc2V0PWdi MjMxMiIgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj1Db250ZW50LVR5cGU+DQo8TUVUQSBjb250ZW50PSJNU0hUTUwgNS4w MC4yOTIwLjAiIG5hbWU9R0VORVJBVE9SPg0KPFNUWUxFPjwvU1RZTEU+DQo8L0hFQUQ+DQo8Qk9E WSBiZ0NvbG9yPSNmZmZmZmY+DQo8RElWPjxGT05UIHNpemU9Mj5XZSBkaWRuJ3Qgc2VlIGFueSBp c3N1ZSBpbiBwbGFuOS4gQW5kIHRoZSBuZXR3b3JraW5nIA0KYmFzZSZuYnNwOyBhbGwgYXJlIDwv Rk9OVD48L0RJVj4NCjxESVY+PEZPTlQgc2l6ZT0yPklQdjQuIFdoZW4gd2lsbCBpdCB1cGRhdGUg dG8gSVB2NiBmb3IgYWxsIA0KbmV0d29ya2luZz88L0ZPTlQ+PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPiZuYnNwOzwv RElWPg0KPERJVj48Rk9OVCBzaXplPTI+QW5kJm5ic3A7V2lsbCBQbGFuOSZuYnNwO2FkZCBtb3Jl IGFkdmFuY2UmbmJzcDtmZWF0dXJlcyB0byANCklQdjYuIExpa2UgSVBzZWMgZXRjLjwvRk9OVD48 L0RJVj4NCjxESVY+Jm5ic3A7PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPjxGT05UIHNpemU9Mj5XYWl0IE1yLlJvYiBQ aWtlJ3MgcmVwbHkuPC9GT05UPjwvRElWPg0KPERJVj4mbmJzcDs8L0RJVj4NCjxESVY+PEZPTlQg c2l6ZT0yPkd1UWluPC9GT05UPjwvRElWPjwvQk9EWT48L0hUTUw+DQo= ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFFA74.F612F0D0-- --upas-zicgvthgmcsiaakpwrgiiqyyad-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Message-Id: <200007311515.LAA18195@cse.psu.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:14:54 -0400 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] The IPv6 in Plan9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-ijtrqgxnqxoxlufprnoqaleroh" Topicbox-Message-UUID: efbd6cd8-eac8-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-ijtrqgxnqxoxlufprnoqaleroh Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I started an ipv6 stack and got disgusted. I decided I'ld wait until there was someone worth talking to using it to finish. I'll probably get back to it soon unless someone beats me to the draw. My general take on v6 it does a bunch of things differently, many better than v4, but , except for the increased address space, none are compelling. There still is no real reason for ISP's to switch to it. Big servers definitely can't switch to it or they'll lose their customer base, at best they'll have to go dual stack and all that does for them is double their administrative costs. Perhaps something like NAPSTER will cause more people to need unique addresses, but until then it makes more sense for an ISP to provide large scale NAT and reverse NAT services. If they're serious about going to IPv6 they're going to have to provide protocol/address translation services anyways as the world switches over so a move to wider area NAT would be good practice until then. --upas-ijtrqgxnqxoxlufprnoqaleroh Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from plan9.cs.bell-labs.com ([135.104.9.2]) by plan9; Sun Jul 30 13:57:13 EDT 2000 Received: from cse.psu.edu ([130.203.3.50]) by plan9; Sun Jul 30 13:57:12 EDT 2000 Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA27792; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:40:56 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA27747 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:40:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from valiant.cnchost.com (valiant.concentric.net [207.155.252.9]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA27742 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from namaste.stricca.org (discordia-asy-4.rutgers.edu [128.6.251.4]) by valiant.cnchost.com id NAA27849; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:40:42 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.8] Message-ID: <200007301740.NAA27849@valiant.cnchost.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] The IPv6 in Plan9 FROM: pip@namaste.stricca.org REPLY-TO: pip@stricca.org Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 17:45:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-zicgvthgmcsiaakpwrgiiqyyad" Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-zicgvthgmcsiaakpwrgiiqyyad Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > We didn't see any issue in plan9. And the networking base > all are IPv4 Plan 9 uses IPv6 format addresses by default, though there is no IPv6 protocol stack for handling IPng traffic. There are a lot of hooks in place for the soul that wishes to add such support, it seems. It looks like such an effort would drop in rather nicely. See ip (2) for more info. - pip --upas-zicgvthgmcsiaakpwrgiiqyyad Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from cse.psu.edu (claven.cse.psu.edu [130.203.3.50]) by zealous.cnchost.com id KAA02739; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:24:25 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.15] Errors-To: Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25084; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:24:17 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA25064 for 9fans-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:24:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from smtp3.sz.js.cn ([202.102.14.147]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25057 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nova ([202.111.67.71]) by smtp3.sz.js.cn (Netscape Messaging Server 4.05) with SMTP id FYIL4L01.Y4S; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:19:33 +0800 Message-ID: <002301bffa31$e93fd780$47436fca@nova> From: "Gu Qin" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Cc: Subject: [9fans] The IPv6 in Plan9 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:24:44 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFFA74.F612F0D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFFA74.F612F0D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 V2UgZGlkbid0IHNlZSBhbnkgaXNzdWUgaW4gcGxhbjkuIEFuZCB0aGUgbmV0d29ya2luZyBiYXNl ICBhbGwgYXJlIA0KSVB2NC4gV2hlbiB3aWxsIGl0IHVwZGF0ZSB0byBJUHY2IGZvciBhbGwgbmV0 d29ya2luZz8NCg0KQW5kIFdpbGwgUGxhbjkgYWRkIG1vcmUgYWR2YW5jZSBmZWF0dXJlcyB0byBJ UHY2LiBMaWtlIElQc2VjIGV0Yy4NCg0KV2FpdCBNci5Sb2IgUGlrZSdzIHJlcGx5Lg0KDQpHdVFp bg0K ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFFA74.F612F0D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PCFET0NUWVBFIEhUTUwgUFVCTElDICItLy9XM0MvL0RURCBIVE1MIDQuMCBUcmFuc2l0aW9uYWwv L0VOIj4NCjxIVE1MPjxIRUFEPg0KPE1FVEEgY29udGVudD0idGV4dC9odG1sOyBjaGFyc2V0PWdi MjMxMiIgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj1Db250ZW50LVR5cGU+DQo8TUVUQSBjb250ZW50PSJNU0hUTUwgNS4w MC4yOTIwLjAiIG5hbWU9R0VORVJBVE9SPg0KPFNUWUxFPjwvU1RZTEU+DQo8L0hFQUQ+DQo8Qk9E WSBiZ0NvbG9yPSNmZmZmZmY+DQo8RElWPjxGT05UIHNpemU9Mj5XZSBkaWRuJ3Qgc2VlIGFueSBp c3N1ZSBpbiBwbGFuOS4gQW5kIHRoZSBuZXR3b3JraW5nIA0KYmFzZSZuYnNwOyBhbGwgYXJlIDwv Rk9OVD48L0RJVj4NCjxESVY+PEZPTlQgc2l6ZT0yPklQdjQuIFdoZW4gd2lsbCBpdCB1cGRhdGUg dG8gSVB2NiBmb3IgYWxsIA0KbmV0d29ya2luZz88L0ZPTlQ+PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPiZuYnNwOzwv RElWPg0KPERJVj48Rk9OVCBzaXplPTI+QW5kJm5ic3A7V2lsbCBQbGFuOSZuYnNwO2FkZCBtb3Jl IGFkdmFuY2UmbmJzcDtmZWF0dXJlcyB0byANCklQdjYuIExpa2UgSVBzZWMgZXRjLjwvRk9OVD48 L0RJVj4NCjxESVY+Jm5ic3A7PC9ESVY+DQo8RElWPjxGT05UIHNpemU9Mj5XYWl0IE1yLlJvYiBQ aWtlJ3MgcmVwbHkuPC9GT05UPjwvRElWPg0KPERJVj4mbmJzcDs8L0RJVj4NCjxESVY+PEZPTlQg c2l6ZT0yPkd1UWluPC9GT05UPjwvRElWPjwvQk9EWT48L0hUTUw+DQo= ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01BFFA74.F612F0D0-- --upas-zicgvthgmcsiaakpwrgiiqyyad-- --upas-ijtrqgxnqxoxlufprnoqaleroh-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 06:18:43 +0200 From: Lucio De Re To: presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com Cc: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] The IPv6 in Plan9 Message-ID: <20000801061843.E2173@cackle.proxima.alt.za> References: <200007311515.LAA18195@cse.psu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <200007311515.LAA18195@cse.psu.edu>; from presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 11:14:54AM -0400 Topicbox-Message-UUID: f02aa21c-eac8-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 11:14:54AM -0400, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > I started an ipv6 stack and got disgusted. I decided I'ld wait until there > was someone worth talking to using it to finish. I'll probably get back to it > soon unless someone beats me to the draw. > I was going to get all political about this, but I thought better of it :-) In the extremely unlikely event that you have not heard about it, the KAME project seems very close to completion of a second IP stack for the *BSD OSes. If you need e-mail details, drop me a line or have a look at the e-mail archives for tech-net@netbsd.org, which you ought to be able to find on . Note that WinNT (or is it only Win2k?) has a putative IPv6 stack in it. The fact that it is not widely deployed can be interpreted any way one likes :-) ++L From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <200008010714.IAA13373@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] The IPv6 in Plan9 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Aug 2000 06:18:43 +0200." <20000801061843.E2173@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:14:11 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane Topicbox-Message-UUID: f0dca264-eac8-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 11:14:54AM -0400, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > I started an ipv6 stack and got disgusted. I decided I'ld wait until there > was someone worth talking to using it to finish. i've sometimes wondered whether having an optional IPv6 stack would be a good way to get further penetration of Plan 9 (or whatever OS you implement it on): offering the box's functionality as a ready-made IPv6 backbone system. To increase the user base, users have to want something that they can't get elsewhere, and IPv6 is the main example of something that _everyone_ might want, at some point. Most other wide-scale wants are wishy-washy terms, like "e-commerce" and "micropayments." (but strangely, not "security") 'Course, the fact that they don't want it _yet_ is telling. steve From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <017a01bffbef$28ec6600$03c684c3@psychobasketcase.org> From: "Boyd Roberts" To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> References: <200008010714.IAA13373@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: [9fans] The IPv6 in Plan9 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:31:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: f0e73166-eac8-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 From: Steve Kilbane > To increase the user base, users have to want something that they can't get > elsewhere, and IPv6 is the main example of something that _everyone_ might > want, at some point. Most other wide-scale wants are wishy-washy terms, > like "e-commerce" and "micropayments." (but strangely, not "security") > > 'Course, the fact that they don't want it _yet_ is telling. > they want it and they just assume it's for free: i've been calling it 'lego block design' -- Boyd Roberts boyd@psycho-basket-case.org But I doubt if our present system [U.S. Army] will produce such an individual. They are too: _abrasive_, opinionated, undiplomatic, nonconformist, and effective. -- Colonel David H. Hackworth (U.S. Army, Ret.) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <200008011937.PAA11057@thunderer.cnchost.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] The IPv6 in Plan9 FROM: pip@namaste.stricca.org Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:42:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-cxbvixsbspepjbausknufnrhse" Topicbox-Message-UUID: f0ece6d8-eac8-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-cxbvixsbspepjbausknufnrhse Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not to be a spoil-sport, but OpenBSD has been shipping with IPv6 support built-in for the last 2 releases. That said, I think Plan 9 is a much more enjoyable platform for experimentation, both for prospective adopters of IPv6 and for protocol implementers. - pip --upas-cxbvixsbspepjbausknufnrhse Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from cse.psu.edu (claven.cse.psu.edu [130.203.3.50]) by invincible.cnchost.com id PAA05952; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:24:30 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP MX 1.15] Errors-To: Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA00659; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by claven.cse.psu.edu (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:23:48 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00636 for 9fans-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:23:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: claven.cse.psu.edu: majordom set sender to owner-9fans using -f Received: from whitecrow.demon.co.uk (root@whitecrow.demon.co.uk [194.222.126.246]) by cse.psu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA00628 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from whitecrow.demon.co.uk (steve@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by whitecrow.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA13373 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:14:12 +0100 Message-Id: <200008010714.IAA13373@whitecrow.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0zeta 7/24/97 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] The IPv6 in Plan9 In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 01 Aug 2000 06:18:43 +0200." <20000801061843.E2173@cackle.proxima.alt.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 08:14:11 +0200 From: Steve Kilbane Sender: owner-9fans@cse.psu.edu Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Precedence: bulk On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 11:14:54AM -0400, presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > I started an ipv6 stack and got disgusted. I decided I'ld wait until there > was someone worth talking to using it to finish. i've sometimes wondered whether having an optional IPv6 stack would be a good way to get further penetration of Plan 9 (or whatever OS you implement it on): offering the box's functionality as a ready-made IPv6 backbone system. To increase the user base, users have to want something that they can't get elsewhere, and IPv6 is the main example of something that _everyone_ might want, at some point. Most other wide-scale wants are wishy-washy terms, like "e-commerce" and "micropayments." (but strangely, not "security") 'Course, the fact that they don't want it _yet_ is telling. steve --upas-cxbvixsbspepjbausknufnrhse--